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When having a '60' was awesome.

Kody — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:00:05 GMT

I do indeed miss the days of being 60 -- mostly because the game didn't seem so... inflated back then.

When having a '60' was awesome.

Feiorai — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:00:04 GMT

Yes, inflated - that's a good way to put it. It felt more specialized before... hard to describe.

When having a '60' was awesome.

mohfuu — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:00:03 GMT

maybe its just me, but i sence a feeling that all the lore just vanished when i entered the portal.. and also a feeling that alot of noobs have started playing warcraft since TBC. ive seen pre-TBC referred to as the "glory days of wow" and i think theres some truth in that too, lets just hope that lich king will be better than expected.. keeping my eye out for that death knight class <..<

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krhooper — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:00:02 GMT

I remember a time when a Warrior was a Tank now a warrior wants to strap on leather to up his crit and do damage. A pally was a true dps class now its a tank or a healer. A priest was a healer and not a major DPS class. Wow !!! I do miss the golden days of WOW.

When having a '60' was awesome.

ChiperSoft — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:00:01 GMT

I agree, the player base seems to have gotten generally more stupid. I blame that on the race to 58 to get into outland. Before players took their time leveling a character, they did all the instances available to them at the level they were at, and learned how to properly behave in a group before they even hit 20.

Now, people just hire a 70 to blast through all the old-world instances for them so they can jump through levels and get where the rest of the population. There's people playing level 62+ characters that don't know how to play with other people. I had a level 70 warlock the other day that didn't know he should Soulstone a healer and not himself.

The same is true of experienced players leveling alts. Used to be a person made an alt so they could re-experience the game in a different way. Now they do it to get a new class type available for endgame content based on what groups are available.

I was disenchanted with Burning Crusade only a month after it came out. I stopped playing for almost half a year after that, and by the time I came back the game had completely changed.

Sadly, I don't think there's anything that can be done to bring us back to the old days. People keep asking for non-BC realms, but I don't think that would work.

When having a '60' was awesome.

byaccident — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:00:00 GMT

This is why I think it would be a good idea to add a Non-bc server. Sure it might be small, but it would be entertaining non the less.

When having a '60' was awesome.

2rbear — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:59:59 GMT

I TOTALLY agree with you =) I wanna raid BWL, ZG, Onyx and all the old-school dungeons :'( "Nobody" does that anymore :-(

When having a '60' was awesome.

tsadok — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:59:58 GMT

Hehe, I got my pally to 61. I had just started to think about doing serious BGs with her when BC put her at the bottom of the bracket. So I've mainly been playing a couple of 29s. To level anything to 70, let alone 80 at my relaxed pace (where I enjoy the experience) will take forever.

When having a '60' was awesome.

Thecow101 — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:59:57 GMT

All too true. I remember my guild calling me crazy on my warlock because i did Gaar in a tuxedo. I miss thinking Ragnaros was actually a formittable foe. Right now I'm leveling a new character and you leave the dungeon queue before you even get the quests, so you have to search for people the old way, which is impossible. They butchered all dungeons so it is just like running around an area with 5 people blasting away. There is no excitement.

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Shadewind — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:59:56 GMT

I must agree, however, i think that when we would go back to pre-TBC times we would miss the balanced outland in which everyone can get epics and raid. I liked the old BWL times, but sometimes it was a bit demanding, and i saw a lot of my friends who didnt have enough time stuck in Strat Baron runs, some ZG and mostly rank 6-8 PvP regions.

I found pre-TBC fun, but i would miss outland a lot aswell; i like Karazhan, i like Shattrah, i like the new rogues and i especially like the new storyline that fuses a bit with the old Warcraft 3. This is also the thing i look foward to the most in WotLK, seeing Northrend and fighting the scourge. I will see how things turn out :)

When having a '60' was awesome.

frumpyandy — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:59:55 GMT

Most of the comments so far seem to be coming from people who have been playing the game longer than I have. I hit 60 for the first time maybe 3 months before TBC came out. I mostly spent that 3 months feeling like I had shown up late to the party.

BGs? Sure, that'll help you boost your equipment, unfortunately since you're horribly undergeared compared to the people who have been doing them every day for the past year or two, you'll spend most of your time in ghost form at the spirit healer. Instances? Sure, but you'll have to PuG like hell to get attuned and run through the same places multiple times to get good enough gear to do what most of your fellow lvl 60s are having fun with.

Basically, I think that's how lots of newer players were feeling, and Blizzard probably realized that to some degree. You can't keep as many new players playing if they feel like they'll always be second class citizens. Thus, epic greens were born in the dusty bowl of Hellfire Peninsula, and the rolling plains of Nagrand. While I'm sure Blizzard lost customers to the totally messed up fact that people who worked hard for their awesome lvl 60 gear had little choice but to replace it with better (but green) lvl 61 gear, the subscription numbers prove that it "worked" from a business standpoint. Brand new lvl 60s suddenly could do the same quest-line as people who in a duel could probably whip them in about 5 seconds, and both of them all of a sudden have the same upgrade to their gear.

And on the trip from 60 to 70, it started happening again. "Hardcore" players, people who play more often, more "aggressively", people who focus on raiding or pvp, they still eventually get up to 70 and can focus on end-game content as much as they did when the cap was 60. They'll still be way "better" than 70s like me, who don't really rush it, don't really go nuts over having the best equipment and being the first to have it.

Maybe the reason 70 isn't as cool as 60 is because you KNOW that the 70 to 80 rush is not far away, and it MAY once again totally invalidate (statistically) your hard work in current end-game content. When 60 was it, it was it for a while. But Blizzard will probably take TBC, learn from its mistakes (I doubt WotLK will show us such a significant jump in equipment quality, for instance, but I could be wrong), and keep releasing expansions and raising the level cap. As much as the comments so far indicate pre-TBC is missed, I think it was good that Blizzard made the move they did, as not everyone thought it was quite as hunky-dory as depicted here. Stagnation doesn't really do good things for a game.

I think the lore continues to expand and grow more filled out as they add content, the balance continues to ebb and flow, and while we'll never play in a world where everyone is satisfied with class balance, I feel like it's getting better faster than it's getting worse. My single complaint in this whole thing, though, is the lack of new models (player models, mob models, gear models). Making a big announcement of a new set of arena gear, only to find out that it's just another set of gear, painted a different color. That's pretty lame. But hey, they only make $135 million per month ($15 monthly fee x 9 million subscribers), so I guess I should cut them some slack. :)

Before I get flamed for ruining this pristine picture of reminiscence, let me say that I'm not bashing your thoughts or beliefs here, I'm just providing a different point of view on the old 60.

When having a '60' was awesome.

DarkChyle74 — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:59:54 GMT

“The good ole days weren't always good, and tomorrow ain't as bad as it seems.” - Billy Joel

Yes, I read alot of nostalgia about the good ole days pre-BC. I even mentioned to my guild the other night how I missed being in stormwind and being happy to get the Rallying Cry of the Dragonslayer buff. I miss standing in the BG queue in SW keep and seeing people do the Reginald Windsor/Onyxia event. I miss ZG. I do not miss MC, AQ, BWL.

Back then many classes were pigeoned holed into certain specs. A feral druid or protection paladin MT in a raid? Yeah right. A Holy Paladin or Resto druid main healer? In who's dreams? A raiding shadow priest, oomkin, retadin? A novelty.

PvP for a few hours a week and get good pvp gear pre-BC? Haha never. You want HWL/GM gear be prepared to live, eat, sleep and drink at your pc.

Change and progress come at a price. We have to let go of something. Its unfortunate that we had to let go of some of the good things in order to get rid of the alot of the bad things. :)

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Feiorai — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:59:53 GMT

You've got a very valid point. I actually had this discussion with someone who completely disagrees with pre-BC nostalgia. He played a paladin and had his first MC run 4 months after the initial release. (He also noted that he never went back.) I had pretty much forgotten about the stresses of certain classes, especially that of paladins. Paladins without raid buffs... who had to buff the group every 5 minutes... and not much else.

You're also right about the limitations of the classes. It was nearly an impossible dream to think that you could be anything but the preferred version of your class. I was lucky enough to be able to play my oomkin on, oh... one out of every 10 raids. One of the best things I remember was a feral druid out-DPSing everyone. That was an inspiring raid. It got to the point for me, that it often mattered less whether you were the preferred class... if the resto druid had the best gear, they could very well BE the main healer. It was just very rare... but it did give people goals, as far-fetched and time consuming as they were.

I'm finding it very difficult to move on, personally. In fact, I had to stop playing my original character to get a new one past 60. Don't ask me why I can't get my oomkin past 60; I just can't seem to do it. :D

When having a '60' was awesome.

Feiorai — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:59:52 GMT

Maybe the reason 70 isn't as cool as 60 is because you KNOW that the 70 to 80 rush is not far away, and it MAY once again totally invalidate (statistically) your hard work in current end-game content.

That's it, in a nutshell. I just feel like the whole thing is an endless level-grind. (One I was glad to have escaped when I first capped.) Though, I do like where you're going with the whole WotLK expansion being less dramatic. Maybe this stems very much from BC being a very dramatic expansion... but I do recognize that after the 'stagnation' of pre-BC... it was somewhat necessary to extend a vast amount of new content into the game.

I do have to comment on the 'late to the party' section. It's something I hadn't really given any consideration. I wasn't in that boat. I can certainly see how a new player would feel left out and far behind. However, I am enjoying Blizzard's idea with the "Scroll of Resurrection". I have no clue when they implemented that, but I do think it's indicative of the loss of older accounts. (Mine was one of them for quite some time.) Cause and effect, action and reaction. But after all, you can't make everyone happy.

When having a '60' was awesome.

Feiorai — Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:59:51 GMT

That would be a beaaauuutiful thing.