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Curse and WoWInterface working together to help protect our authors and other site-users

Recently Curse and WoWInterface got together to come up with a solution for an ongoing problem. The problem in question is WowMatrix. The reasons they are a problem are many:

  • WowMatrix violates author copyright and intellectual property rights:
    • They redistribute addons without authors' permissions;
    • When they first started they would scrape the legimate sites for addons then upload them to their own site in addition to deep-linking from the sites;
    • They edited authors' files to remove donation requests and links to their home sites, etc.; and
    • They have failed on many occasions to honour authors' requests to remove addons from their application;
  • In a lot of cases the files served to users have been many versions out of date. This leads to authors having users complain about bugs, bugs that were fixed days or weeks ago in versions that are available on the legitimate sites, causing problems for both the authors and for the end-users;
  • Until the community raised a hue and cry, WowMatrix didn't even supply the authors' names as to who wrote the addon, let alone provide a link to where the addon was legitimately hosted;
  • WowMatrix leeches from the legitimate hosting sites without permission, let alone compensation. Originally, they scraped our sites so they could upload addons to their own site without permission, in addition to deeplinking from our sites. They have finally stopped hosting the addons on their own site, but they still deeplink from our sites, using our resources to run their program. Curse and WoWInterface use a lot of bandwidth every month which costs a lot of money. The way we pay our bills is through site ads, which are directly dependent on users viewing them, and premium memberships. WowMatrix bypasses our download pages, and, as a result, people are not viewing the ads. Of course, this means the ads aren't generating any revenue to pay for the bandwidth. At the rate they were going, if they were allowed to continue using our resources without any compensation, they were going to drive us right out of business. Not only are they stealing our bandwidth and preventing us from being able to recoup that loss, they also have their own ads all over their site and application. They are directly profiting from the stolen bandwidth; and
  • Due to the massive resource drains they put on our sites, we have all experienced heightened loads and weaker performance, especially on patch days. During those days they download so much from our sites that sometimes we have a hard time keeping up to the demands; thus causing legitimate users to experience problems accessing our sites. That's just flat out unacceptable.

For months now, both sites and multiple authors have been trying to come up with solutions to the problems caused by WowMatrix. However, WowMatrix just keeps ignoring authors' requests to remove their addons from their application, working around the protections we have put in place, and proving repeatedly that they have no intention of ever becoming responsible, legitimate members of the community. Instead, they choose to continue to leech off the community. Well we, Curse and WowInterface, have gotten together and between us we believe we may have found a solution to prevent them from pulling authors' addons from our sites to redistribute without permission and stealing our bandwidth any longer. Unfortunately we cannot release details on the solution, so as to keep it viable.

"Yeah yeah yeah, blah blah, get to the important question: What does this mean for me, your sites' user?" For the majority of users it should be completely transparent, you should not notice any difference whatsoever, other than improved site responsiveness during patch days. We hope that we will be able to revert the changes made to our sites eventually, if WowMatrix ever stops violating authors' copyright and ceases stealing our bandwidth and other resources.

If you were previously using WowMatrix to keep your addons updated, please use our official updaters (Curse, WoWInterface). You may also mark addons as favorites on both WoWInterface and Curse in order to be alerted when they are updated.

Kaelten
Administrator, Curse & WowAce

Cairenn
Administrator, WoWInterface

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  • Thu, Sep 3 2009 7:47 PM ()

    Gregt44, If you look at the sys reqs for v3 of the client, you may find it will not work with your hardware. However, the v4 client, currently in closed beta, addresses compatibility, and other issues.

    [quote user="Kaelten"]

    I've started limited testing already.  I'll be expanding it out further as time goes by.  I've had to push full open beta back a few weeks and will be inviting more people to test it as well.

    The v4 Mac client isn't yet feature complete and as a result I don't want to just post a link and have it there for people to download.

    [/quote]

  • gregt44 said 
    Thu, Sep 3 2009 3:34 PM ()

    Not really interested in philosophical discussion about who is right or wrong here, because to be honest I have no way of knowing. What I do know is curse client doesnt work and I dont understand that. Bottom line the add on goes to the desktop of mac not in add ons folder and moving it, (not that i should have to ) doesnt work

  • Fri, Jun 5 2009 12:31 PM ()

    I know this story is a as dead as dead gets, but simply put, WoWMatrix is a thief.  Rather than host the files themselves, at which point they must then pay for bandwidth, they steal links to other sites.  You did that to me and I owned that site?  Better expect to PAY the bill yourself.  Because I'm coming for you, don't care where you are in the world, your paying me for that lost revenue.

    As far as they then download one copy from Curse/WoWUI and then claim "okay there see not stealing your bandwidth" argument.  Sure that is fine and good, so long as the original author does not care about it being hosted there.  Original author says get it off your site, you comply.  Nuff said.

    WoWMatrix is a program made to STEAL from other sites.  I do not condone it or accept it.  If I was any party involved, feel lucky I am not, I would have hunted them down and sued their pants off.

  • GrogT said 
    Sat, May 23 2009 12:13 PM ()

    Well, seems to me that options to achieve a win-win-situation were carelessly ignored, right from the beginning. I honestly do not understand why. If Curse and WoWInterface wanted to make some money with advertising, why you guys didn’t communicate this to WoWmatrix straight up? With that much programmers involved there should be a way to get the ad on the screen of the fan while downloading with WoWMatrix. Could have been selling argument for you guys.

    This inconsistent story about using your bandwidth on one side and not wanting them to host authors on the other is really weak. Accuse a fellow fan project isn’t really helping you guys in getting the trust of the community, and won’t help to establish a positive image of your advertising customers.  One hour or less learning about modern advertising strategies could have avoided this. In the age of culture-snacks interruptive ad-strategies are obsolete, and sooner or later the guys responsible for sponsoring you guys will have a workshop about this and reevaluate this manner.

    Anyway, these are just my two cents on strategy. The bottom line is: nobody cares who is right or wrong. We, the users, want easy use, contents and reliable sites. This all is at stake because of decisions made. Pride isn’t a good counselor, so work something out with WM and don’t get more people you want to reach with ads pissed off about this matter.

    Sincerely

    Just a user      

  • GrogT said 
    Sat, May 23 2009 12:11 PM ()

    Well, seems to me that options to achieve a win-win-situation were carelessly ignored, right from the beginning. I honestly do not understand why. If Curse and WoWInterface wanted to make some money with advertising, why you guys didn’t communicate this to WoWmatrix straight up? With that much programmers involved there should be a way to get the ad on the screen of the fan while downloading with WoWMatrix. Could have been selling argument for you guys.

    This inconsistent story about using your bandwidth on one side and not wanting them to host authors on the other is really weak. Accuse a fellow fan project isn’t really helping you guys in getting the trust of the community, and won’t help to establish a positive image of your advertising customers.  One hour or less learning about modern advertising strategies could have avoided this. In the age of culture-snacks interruptive ad-strategies are obsolete, and sooner or later the guys responsible for sponsoring you guys will have a workshop about this and reevaluate this manner.

    Anyway, these are just my two cents on strategy. The bottom line is: nobody cares who is right or wrong. We, the users, want easy use, contents and reliable sites. This all is at stake because of decisions made. Pride isn’t a good counselor, so work something out with WM and don’t get more people you want to reach with ads pissed off about this matter.

    Sincerely

    Just a user      

  • Sat, May 23 2009 9:06 AM ()

    fight the powah scrimpy lmao

  • Sat, May 23 2009 1:24 AM ()

    Thanks Curse.com I now get all my addons directly from the addons author and will never support curse/ace/wowui ever again.

    wake up people you dont see what curse is doing

  • Fri, May 22 2009 6:38 PM ()

    Thanks for making it so much harder to update my addons. I just want a nice easy way to update all of my addons. I had that with WowMatrix. You killed it. I'm still downloading the same addons, from the same source, but now it's much more difficult and takes far longer.

    Guess what your move did? It hurt YOUR users. Me! My opinion of Curse and WowInterface has really sunk. And pretty much ever WoW player I know feels the same way.

  • calgard said 
    Thu, May 21 2009 10:10 AM ()

    CURSE is the biggest ripoff in resources on a pc and the one ting I find is funny is that they wont respond to  the PODCAST " The Instance " to back up there claim against wowmatrix or even go on there... all I see is CURSE being a lil sidewalk whore and yelling and screaming since it can't be the only one doing the addon site...  

  • Tue, May 19 2009 2:51 PM ()

    lee200082 said

    05-19-2009 2:03 PM (6 hours, 47 minutes ago)

    Curse needs to produce and implement some kind of landing page for first time access (cookie based maybe?) to get users to agree to the terms and conditions before accesing the site.  This would then give them a legal recourse to sue WM if they continue for the bandwidth costs incurred.

    ------------------

    Not really... by using the site you agree to the terms of service, linked at the bottom of every page. They certainly could pretty easily have a case against them if they wanted.

  • Tue, May 19 2009 2:42 PM ()

    You guys (everyone) Really need to stop whining about this. You are using a ,otherwise free, Service of downloading add-ons off their site, and complain when they ask you to buy the premium package so they can get the cash they need to pay for things. And as you see they are working diligently to get a website ,called in the WoW world, Ninja out of service. In turn this helps us with downloading on major patch days. (1 week to complete my add ons) And I know there is more then 1 or 2 people here posting (whining) about paying a premium for a service that they use (and sits for hours till update is done). When in turn they are gonna make your downloads and experience better. This is a business believe it or not. So L2Use duck tape on your mouth when you are gonna say something retarded. If you have a issue with what I said, then you should just turn off your computer and never turn it on again.

    (yes my English is bad but at least I made my point)

  • goamer said 
    Tue, May 19 2009 11:27 AM ()

    All you managed to do was make updating my addons harder.  

    Thanks for nothing.

  • halaa said 
    Tue, May 19 2009 11:14 AM ()

    Himehroyd,

    Do you think CNN has a 'cap' on how much bandwidth they can use?  Or MicroSoft?  Or Apple?  

    I'll just call you an idiot now, since you chose to call me one and speak out your ass about a topic you know just enough about to be considered a moron.  Now go play with your little personal web site service and leave real web sites to the big boys.

    ____________________________________________________________________________

    you seem to be more of a bigger dumb ass then the rest, you think curse can compaete to cnn or microsoft your answwer was a very stupid one which shows me how lil ur i.q really is, you think curse is a company, curse is nothing more then prob one to 3 people running it, and your not part of there team are you, so why do you take up for this so called company that you seem that can make more or the same amount of money as cnn, or even microsoft.

    belive you moron if they exceeded there bandwith like they claim they would have been shut down, dont belive me ask any one with a higher iq then your's.

    and i see you have iq of ted turner where the big boys play, wait wait didnt he sell almost his **** inclucdong cough cough cnn, becuase he wasnt a big boy where you like to play *** and ball's.

    by you moron **** g o t.

    hahaha last time i post in this shitty forum, and you can talk back i allow it but do a search next time so you can a better i.q then what you have now plz plz plz have one better then dear ole ted turner

  • Tue, May 19 2009 9:34 AM ()

    Speaking for myself , all I really want is a nice, easy reliable way to get addons. I don't want to see anyone's right infringed on, or people to not receive their dues for work well done........

    However, I just don't see that with Curse. If you can give me a list of "unidentified items" why can you not seek these out and host them? I have the addons because they will make my gameplay easier/better, you claim you are doing this service for the community...well the community wants these addons whether you can identify them or not =\  

    This is about money, money, money , money...and yes people don't mind paying for services when they get what they want..but we aren't...for a lot of addons,ease of use etc. With all this money coming in, now that you started charging to even come CLOSE to WM's ease of use, could you not assign some staff to look into these "unidentified addons" and ...well identify them =\ You can find them with ease at www.wowmatrix.com ... I'm no "pro WM" advocate, I just want my damn addons in the simplest,quickest way and get on with playing my game. If you guys could come close to them, this whole topic wouldn't even be an issue..though so far as I can tell, in any area to do come close, you charge us for it.

    I can only assume the "premium account" is only the first step and you are hoping that by attemtping to alienate WM you will eventualy slam us with a regular monthly fee with no exceptions.

    Yes, I use curse client , but ONLY because I HAVE to..no other reason , because you don't offer any other reasons.

    You are like the rich kid who bought up the neighbourhood and are forcing all the kids to play with you......and kids being kids, we will..but we really don't like you much =\ and we'll always be waiting for the you to drop the inevitable bomb on us and make us pay or no services.

    You have made something that should not have been public, very public by this very topic alone, I thin you expected a big old bandwagon of people to hop on and say "yeah they deserve their money for work well done"...but fact is, we see its work-----half done, and you are charging for it =\

    This is akin to a store buying the BigMac's special sauce......making their own burgers,which leaves a foul taste in our mouths.........and charging more for them.

    I , like many people who have posted , will continue to use the curse client............but only as long as I absolutely have to. And unless it is drasticly improved, would never ever consider paying your premium.

  • Tue, May 19 2009 8:03 AM ()

    As I see it Curse as a "Company" has a choice to make.

    Yes they can and I believe have taken steps to prevent WM's unauthorised access to their bandwidth.  Like any website Curse is entitled to restrict access as they see fit in order to protect their bandwidth and give the vast majority of their users the best service possible for whatever money they have coming in.

    In addition to this Curse should have server logs showing WM's access, the files accessed, dates, times, etc which they could use to mount a civil court case against the owners of WM in order to recoup their bandwidth costs as a result of the unauthorised usage.

    The problem here is that since Curse do not force users/visitors to the site to agree to any kind of usage agreement prior to being alowed to access anything on the site there is no legally binding agreement for them to be held to.

    Curse needs to produce and implement some kind of landing page for first time access (cookie based maybe?) to get users to agree to the terms and conditions before accesing the site.  This would then give them a legal recourse to sue WM if they continue for the bandwidth costs incurred.

  • Tue, May 19 2009 3:11 AM ()

    Himehroyd says ,

    Curse was putting out ~1.3-1.5TB/hr during patch day.  So that $100 would keep their site up for about 45 minutes. I'd estimate their bandwidth charges for a month with a major patch at $60-75K.

    LOL some people really have no idea roflmao omg  hahaha.,.....

  • Tue, May 19 2009 3:08 AM ()

    (Himehroyd) Kiss curse ass much ?

  • Mon, May 18 2009 7:35 PM ()

    Seriously anyone bitching about WM not having unauthorized access needs to grow up.

    It is in Curse.com's, and their customers', best interest to keep watch their bottom line. If they didn't they would be out of business in a flash. So their updater might not be the latest and greatest... it still works and it's easy isn't it? Shut up or create your own database without leeching off of someone elses hard work. Curse deserves to be paid (through advertising, memberships etc) for their hard work at creating a useful tool, and not have sites like WM leech off their service.

    WM was putting ads up on their updater & pages, and preventing Curse from getting the ad views that they would have gotten by using the curse updater or going to the site. This is plain wrong and unethical. They were making money from someone elses work, WITHOUT permission, and even after they were told to stop.

    Now, I'm sure they could have come to a financial agreement that would work for all parties. But they didn't. They kept stealing Curse's bandwidth and advertising.

  • Mon, May 18 2009 1:52 PM ()

    Curse's client sucks and has for as long as it has been running. Then someone makes a good one and people use it. Curse (instead of improving there crap version) gets pissy over bandwidth which WM tried to address before hand but curse didnt think WM would take the majority of its users. So now curse wants WM to do exactly what they didnt want at the beginning. Sounds to me like the kid that sucked at basketball and cried " give me my ball Im going home" LOL. Why dont curse come up with an updater that can compete with WM? Oh maybe they cant. ANYONE PAYING FOR CURSE CLIENT IS AN IDIOT!

  • Silastar said 
    Mon, May 18 2009 6:44 AM ()

    Awwww come one now! How long will you admit that you are doing that for the money, and not for the cause?? It is not that hard, try it for size: "We want to make money out of the time we involve in the website"

    Chronologically, the timing is perfect:

    1) Forbbid WM to use the direct link to DL addons

    2) Make sure everyone switch to Curse Client

    3) let them taste it for a while....

    4) and BAM!! Slap them with the Premium package if they want to keep using it "as WM"

    There is only one thing that you guys don't seem to realise: you are creating a monopoly in the addons updaters, since Curse and WoWI are now teaming together. In EU, this means that you are actually under violation of the Law, no?

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