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Curse and WoWInterface working together to help protect our authors and other site-users

Recently Curse and WoWInterface got together to come up with a solution for an ongoing problem. The problem in question is WowMatrix. The reasons they are a problem are many:

  • WowMatrix violates author copyright and intellectual property rights:
    • They redistribute addons without authors' permissions;
    • When they first started they would scrape the legimate sites for addons then upload them to their own site in addition to deep-linking from the sites;
    • They edited authors' files to remove donation requests and links to their home sites, etc.; and
    • They have failed on many occasions to honour authors' requests to remove addons from their application;
  • In a lot of cases the files served to users have been many versions out of date. This leads to authors having users complain about bugs, bugs that were fixed days or weeks ago in versions that are available on the legitimate sites, causing problems for both the authors and for the end-users;
  • Until the community raised a hue and cry, WowMatrix didn't even supply the authors' names as to who wrote the addon, let alone provide a link to where the addon was legitimately hosted;
  • WowMatrix leeches from the legitimate hosting sites without permission, let alone compensation. Originally, they scraped our sites so they could upload addons to their own site without permission, in addition to deeplinking from our sites. They have finally stopped hosting the addons on their own site, but they still deeplink from our sites, using our resources to run their program. Curse and WoWInterface use a lot of bandwidth every month which costs a lot of money. The way we pay our bills is through site ads, which are directly dependent on users viewing them, and premium memberships. WowMatrix bypasses our download pages, and, as a result, people are not viewing the ads. Of course, this means the ads aren't generating any revenue to pay for the bandwidth. At the rate they were going, if they were allowed to continue using our resources without any compensation, they were going to drive us right out of business. Not only are they stealing our bandwidth and preventing us from being able to recoup that loss, they also have their own ads all over their site and application. They are directly profiting from the stolen bandwidth; and
  • Due to the massive resource drains they put on our sites, we have all experienced heightened loads and weaker performance, especially on patch days. During those days they download so much from our sites that sometimes we have a hard time keeping up to the demands; thus causing legitimate users to experience problems accessing our sites. That's just flat out unacceptable.

For months now, both sites and multiple authors have been trying to come up with solutions to the problems caused by WowMatrix. However, WowMatrix just keeps ignoring authors' requests to remove their addons from their application, working around the protections we have put in place, and proving repeatedly that they have no intention of ever becoming responsible, legitimate members of the community. Instead, they choose to continue to leech off the community. Well we, Curse and WowInterface, have gotten together and between us we believe we may have found a solution to prevent them from pulling authors' addons from our sites to redistribute without permission and stealing our bandwidth any longer. Unfortunately we cannot release details on the solution, so as to keep it viable.

"Yeah yeah yeah, blah blah, get to the important question: What does this mean for me, your sites' user?" For the majority of users it should be completely transparent, you should not notice any difference whatsoever, other than improved site responsiveness during patch days. We hope that we will be able to revert the changes made to our sites eventually, if WowMatrix ever stops violating authors' copyright and ceases stealing our bandwidth and other resources.

If you were previously using WowMatrix to keep your addons updated, please use our official updaters (Curse, WoWInterface). You may also mark addons as favorites on both WoWInterface and Curse in order to be alerted when they are updated.

Kaelten
Administrator, Curse & WowAce

Cairenn
Administrator, WoWInterface

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  • Mon, May 18 2009 1:30 AM ()

    "it goes down becuase the limited access has been exceeded try your bullshit on someone else plz i sell webhosting and i get complaints allt he time i say buy more or stop getting **** downloaded i dont care if they leave as a business man im after money not your wasting time on exceeding your bandwith"

    You might 'sell' web hosting to small users but you obviously have no idea how a large scale, high volume network functions.  You don't pay for bandwidth in advance.  You are billed by the amount used each month (if you've contracted that way, and every single high volume site I've ever seen does).

    Do you think CNN has a 'cap' on how much bandwidth they can use?  Or MicroSoft?  Or Apple?  

    I'll just call you an idiot now, since you chose to call me one and speak out your ass about a topic you know just enough about to be considered a moron.  Now go play with your little personal web site service and leave real web sites to the big boys.

  • halaa said 
    Sun, May 17 2009 10:25 PM ()

    Himehroyd said  

    05-13-2009 12:42 AM (4 days ago)

    Nah, they've just quit responding to people that have absolutely nothing to offer and only post to try to bait them.

    They've said all that needs to be said on the subject earlier in the thread, offered their reasoning, and even gave out some information on what it was costing to allow WM to continue to access them, only to have people like you, and the rest of the 'it's all about me' crowd come here and call them liars, but offer no proof, only personal feelings.  

    If they hurt your feelings, you don't have to visit any more

    The ones protesting seem to think that bandwidth is really cheap or free.  It's not.  I've seen dedicated hosting with 1000GB(1TB)/month for around $100.

    Curse was putting out ~1.3-1.5TB/hr during patch day.  So that $100 would keep their site up for about 45 minutes. I'd estimate their bandwidth charges for a month with a major patch at $60-75K.

    your an idiot i see if they went past that guess what happens to this site, it goes down becuase the limited access has been exceeded try your bullshit on someone else plz i sell webhosting and i get complaints allt he time i say buy more or stop getting **** downloaded i dont care if they leave as a business man im after money not your wasting time on exceeding your bandwith ;)

  • halaa said 
    Sun, May 17 2009 10:20 PM ()

    Cinlach  what it boild down to there bud is curse not wowui cuz i like mazzle, licks major ball's and then you got other bitchs for them talking shot and licking there nut sacks as well. so curse gets a big **** you in the ass from me. sorry curse i once respected you and you want to give my hard earn money to bunch of noobs that cant go out and get a job like the rest of us, i would supoort the **** as well, but when boils down to money then its **** us or u cant update ****, this just in also curse i have friends that just tried your site out, and downloaded some addon's and there new peps to i sent them to you, and all of a sudden your crappy hacked addon's got them hacked, do you **** even check addon's anymore or do you just not give a **** about your people seems like your more worried about your your foot in ass rather then in your mouth or mayby thats were they are in your ass and mouth, dont trust curse anymore trust wowui and say bye to this shitty so called company that shows no proof of **** and nothing but **** talk. bye curse you faggots and plz have a very double fisted in your ass day!

  • Cinlach said 
    Sun, May 17 2009 4:32 PM ()

    Well what really sucks for the players affected is that the WoWInterface updater licks balls and the Curse updater has to be run as a premium member in order to be anywhere near as user friendly as WowMatrix.

    Look, I'm not saying what WowMatrix has been accused of (and notice I'm using the word accused, because I have no proof they did wrong. Curse/WoWInterface can't present any proof, and WowMatrix denies wrongdoing to the level their being persecuted for...hence the word accused) is ethical, legal, or even downright intelligent.

    All I'm saying is that the reason WowMatrix was so popular, and was overshadowing the two other sites "updaters" is that it was far, FAR superior to either.

    For the life of me I cannot understand why these three companies cannot come to a logical and simple monetary agreement allowing WowMatrix to gain access to their addons.

    How hard would it be for them to determine a fair and reasonable amount of bandwidth usage, bill accordingly, and receive click-through advertisements on the banners and other places on WowMatrix?

    Seriously...am I a total idealist here or is someone being unnecessarily difficult?

  • skisulli said 
    Wed, May 13 2009 12:05 PM ()

    I spent time today removing all addons from the game that WoWMatrix could not update, and finding replacements that would work.  I am officially done with Curse and WoWInterface, two sites that I have been using for years.

  • Wed, May 13 2009 9:21 AM ()

    I think this will go down as the only website in earths history that cried about bandwidth to the public.

  • Wed, May 13 2009 12:42 AM ()

    Nah, they've just quit responding to people that have absolutely nothing to offer and only post to try to bait them.

    They've said all that needs to be said on the subject earlier in the thread, offered their reasoning, and even gave out some information on what it was costing to allow WM to continue to access them, only to have people like you, and the rest of the 'it's all about me' crowd come here and call them liars, but offer no proof, only personal feelings.  

    If they hurt your feelings, you don't have to visit any more

    The ones protesting seem to think that bandwidth is really cheap or free.  It's not.  I've seen dedicated hosting with 1000GB(1TB)/month for around $100.

    Curse was putting out ~1.3-1.5TB/hr during patch day.  So that $100 would keep their site up for about 45 minutes. I'd estimate their bandwidth charges for a month with a major patch at $60-75K.

  • Tue, May 12 2009 10:27 PM ()

    funny sure is quiet from curse on this subject bet they are trying to put together some sort of bullcrap proof to make themelfs look good lol

    i dont know what the fuss is about i use WM everyday and if WM does not have the addons i want i just dont use them i wont ever come to curse to get addons i dont want to use their bandwidth.

  • Tue, May 12 2009 8:59 AM ()

    Canzara wrote:  "This will [be] my last post..."

    Hi-5s all around!

    Keep up the good work, Curse, and don't let up on leeches.

  • Tue, May 12 2009 12:09 AM ()

    Canzara i'm a user i havn't been screwed, only ones i see pissed off are WM users who didn't give a damn one way or the other where those actual mods came from.

    Once again WM folks are cowards in hiding, that to me tells me they are shady people.  Look how much they care about their users, i mean because they have come out and backed you all up so much right?

    On patch day i got my mods just fine but going to the sites that actually host them, not by going to a place that steals from others, and being part of a community that beliefs in these WM thiefs.

    Only person here lacking Brain cells is yourself, just like you lack integrity.  Enjoy being a worthless piece of trash.

  • Mon, May 11 2009 7:45 PM ()

    If by 'screwing over users' you mean 'protecting the resources that keep the site alive', then yes, they did that.

    Curse has been talking about finding a way to stop WM from accessing it's files for a long time.

    Curse has said they set the date before the patch was announced.

    Curse has said they had 30% lower bandwidth use on patch day because of this change.  At 1.3-1.5TB/hr, that's a huge expenditure they didn't have to put out for WM to be able to access it's servers.

    WM users are unhappy because their program stopped working.  Why be angry at Curse because of that?  Had WM had a viable model, the changes on the Curse/WoWI end would have had no effect.

  • Mon, May 11 2009 10:59 AM ()

    WM hasnt shown or prooved anything

    WM hasnt shown or prooved anything

    WM hasnt shown or prooved anything

    WM hasnt shown or prooved anything

    WM hasnt shown or prooved anything

    So tell me why The people at WM don't have any balls to come discuss things, or are you WM users too much cowards to answer that?

  • Mon, May 11 2009 7:42 AM ()

    not sure I never see a single add on curse now that all this crud with WM started i block all of them

  • Mon, May 11 2009 6:08 AM ()

    Oh, is it just me, or are firefox users with addblock unable to visit curse.com? I usually dont use firefox, but when I tried to visit curse I just got a server error, but in chrome I can see the site as normal. Is this a product of all "I'm gonna install adblock and then you won't get any revue from your adds" posts? =) just curious.

  • Mon, May 11 2009 12:08 AM ()

    Except that by going to the page and downloading by hand, you're going to the Curse site and using Curse resources.  Ads get served and Curse gets some money back to pay for the bandwidth.

    Using the Curse Client uses Curse resources.  With the free version, ads get served and Curse gets some money back to pay for the bandwidth.

    Using WM uses Curse resources.  Except the ads served by WM pay WM, and don't pay anything for the bandwidth. Curse loses that revenue while WM gets to pocket it from their ads.

    And I don't know what more proof you need.  Threads dating back to Oct, 2007 have been shown from around the web about this issue.  Numerous authors have discussed how WM listed their addons without permission, edited their addons without permission, and caused them support problems by delivering old versions. You just don't want to admit that it's been a problem for a long time and just have some kind of vendetta to make Curse the bad guys.  

  • Sun, May 10 2009 11:57 PM ()

    very interesting point with WoWmatrix and bandwidth, because when I "leech" direct off curse.com or use WoWmatrix, both methods suck the same amount of bandwidth. - So this point is destroyed. WoWmatrix, doing by hand or CurseClient, all 3 methods leech the same amount of bandwidth.

  • Sun, May 10 2009 11:55 PM ()

    curse hasnt shown or prooved anything

    curse hasnt shown or prooved anything

    curse hasnt shown or prooved anything

    curse hasnt shown or prooved anything

    curse hasnt shown or prooved anything

  • Sun, May 10 2009 10:52 PM ()

    halaa--

    Why do all the WM supporters not offer anything substantial, but can only support their view with personal attacks?  In most debates, that's a sure sign that you've lost.

    And yes, I've seen the code.. You can too.  It's not that hard.  WoWMatrix is written in Runtime Revolution ( en.wikipedia.org/.../Runtime_Revolution ) which is based on HyperCard. It is a JustInTime compiled language so the source code is included in the executable, loaded into ram, and then compiled to execute. One 'flaw' of this is that Runtime Revolution leaves the original source code in ram after it is compiled so it can be read with debugging tools.

    If you want to see some of the code and educate yourself as to what WM is really doing to your addons, read this thread:  forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html

    If you don't want to inform yourself or know the truth, keep making random vapid posts from a backwards emotional point of view, but your anger should be toward WM, not Curse.

  • Sun, May 10 2009 7:03 PM ()

    wow scrimpy what is WM paying you to fight for them since they have no back bone to come around and fight for themselves? Until they stop being cowards i won't believe a word from them.

    Oh and halaa WM hasn't shown any facts either, they don't even have the balls to come discuss things, they are cowards as far as i'm concerned, only people who do wrong hide like they have been.

  • halaa said 
    Sun, May 10 2009 5:02 PM ()

    Himehroyd

    I'll admit it.. I haven't opened WM in a long time.  Mainly because I don't want their application messing with my addons and changing stuff just because their client 'thinks' it should be changed.

    I've seen the code.  I know what it does.  WM has a nice front end (not great, but nice).  It's fairly user friendly.  But it's back end is crap, and does far to many things that I consider unacceptable to even consider using it

    really you seent he code, hmmmmmm very interesting since you seem like a 4 year running his lip, i dont think you have, curse app is great either, and no i want lie i havent seen there code, but hey since your such a genies on code's why dont they have u fix there shitty client!

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