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Curse and WoWInterface working together to help protect our authors and other site-users

Recently Curse and WoWInterface got together to come up with a solution for an ongoing problem. The problem in question is WowMatrix. The reasons they are a problem are many:

  • WowMatrix violates author copyright and intellectual property rights:
    • They redistribute addons without authors' permissions;
    • When they first started they would scrape the legimate sites for addons then upload them to their own site in addition to deep-linking from the sites;
    • They edited authors' files to remove donation requests and links to their home sites, etc.; and
    • They have failed on many occasions to honour authors' requests to remove addons from their application;
  • In a lot of cases the files served to users have been many versions out of date. This leads to authors having users complain about bugs, bugs that were fixed days or weeks ago in versions that are available on the legitimate sites, causing problems for both the authors and for the end-users;
  • Until the community raised a hue and cry, WowMatrix didn't even supply the authors' names as to who wrote the addon, let alone provide a link to where the addon was legitimately hosted;
  • WowMatrix leeches from the legitimate hosting sites without permission, let alone compensation. Originally, they scraped our sites so they could upload addons to their own site without permission, in addition to deeplinking from our sites. They have finally stopped hosting the addons on their own site, but they still deeplink from our sites, using our resources to run their program. Curse and WoWInterface use a lot of bandwidth every month which costs a lot of money. The way we pay our bills is through site ads, which are directly dependent on users viewing them, and premium memberships. WowMatrix bypasses our download pages, and, as a result, people are not viewing the ads. Of course, this means the ads aren't generating any revenue to pay for the bandwidth. At the rate they were going, if they were allowed to continue using our resources without any compensation, they were going to drive us right out of business. Not only are they stealing our bandwidth and preventing us from being able to recoup that loss, they also have their own ads all over their site and application. They are directly profiting from the stolen bandwidth; and
  • Due to the massive resource drains they put on our sites, we have all experienced heightened loads and weaker performance, especially on patch days. During those days they download so much from our sites that sometimes we have a hard time keeping up to the demands; thus causing legitimate users to experience problems accessing our sites. That's just flat out unacceptable.

For months now, both sites and multiple authors have been trying to come up with solutions to the problems caused by WowMatrix. However, WowMatrix just keeps ignoring authors' requests to remove their addons from their application, working around the protections we have put in place, and proving repeatedly that they have no intention of ever becoming responsible, legitimate members of the community. Instead, they choose to continue to leech off the community. Well we, Curse and WowInterface, have gotten together and between us we believe we may have found a solution to prevent them from pulling authors' addons from our sites to redistribute without permission and stealing our bandwidth any longer. Unfortunately we cannot release details on the solution, so as to keep it viable.

"Yeah yeah yeah, blah blah, get to the important question: What does this mean for me, your sites' user?" For the majority of users it should be completely transparent, you should not notice any difference whatsoever, other than improved site responsiveness during patch days. We hope that we will be able to revert the changes made to our sites eventually, if WowMatrix ever stops violating authors' copyright and ceases stealing our bandwidth and other resources.

If you were previously using WowMatrix to keep your addons updated, please use our official updaters (Curse, WoWInterface). You may also mark addons as favorites on both WoWInterface and Curse in order to be alerted when they are updated.

Kaelten
Administrator, Curse & WowAce

Cairenn
Administrator, WoWInterface

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  • halaa said 
    Sun, May 10 2009 4:59 PM ()

    YOU PEOPLE  are ababling about facts fact is wowui and curse hasnt shown or prooved anything so fact is there all lies until they can proof it!

  • Sun, May 10 2009 9:52 AM ()

    wow dude what a way to brown nose , sry your not getting a free prem version for sucking up lmao

  • Sat, May 9 2009 8:41 PM ()

    Oh and i've used curse since 2005 haven't had a virus/keylogger ever.  They have always been a great site.  As a user i don't feel shunned at all, why because i would rather the site find ways of staying afloat in these bad economic times then disappear.  

    Bottom line the only greedy people around here are the ones like you who act like they are entitled to have everything for free.

  • Sat, May 9 2009 8:38 PM ()

    Canzara once again spreading lies, is that what your job pays you to do is lie?

    But keep on with you constant lies, why should i believe about your education, because obviously if you had any at all you would understand how wrong WM is.

    Yeah they are starting to try to do things legit now but that is way after the fact and honestly why should anyone forget and forgive?

    They had their chance, they fucked up period.  No amount of BS lies from you will change peoples minds here that have been following for over a year what WM has done.

    Oh but keep it up Canzara, i enjoy reading your so called facts that you make up in your tiny brain. =)

  • Sat, May 9 2009 6:05 PM ()

    "You obviously haven't opened WM in quite sometime, or you would know they do have links linking directly to curse for any addon they can't access."

    I'll admit it.. I haven't opened WM in a long time.  Mainly because I don't want their application messing with my addons and changing stuff just because their client 'thinks' it should be changed.

    I've seen the code.  I know what it does.  WM has a nice front end (not great, but nice).  It's fairly user friendly.  But it's back end is crap, and does far to many things that I consider unacceptable to even consider using it.

    "I hope your getting payed lots of money for this, cause when the cashcow is over, you'll have to get a JOB! like I have.

    imagine a real job that doesn't rely on blizzard and a game they made LOL"

    I have a job, thank you.  I'm a software engineer by trade, and develop UI's for a major mobile phone company.  I get nothing from refuting the arguments of people like you, other than the satisfaction of pointing out the flaws in your logic.

    "Just because curse makes some claims, doesn't make them so, I have 3 degrees in this business, I'm willing to bet you don't and are just taking them at face value. I know better."

    I'm willing to bet you read the WM 'FAQ' or some other site with anti-Curse comments and drank all the kool-aid.  Had you bothered to do any research on the topic, you'd find 18 months of information that support the views in the article, both from hosting sites and authors.

  • Sat, May 9 2009 4:33 PM ()

    "All this has done is insured curse's downfall. Alienated your own users for a prophet LOL fools."

    Hmm.. so much here to pick on.  Let's start with the obvious.

    This has done nothing to alienate Curse's users.  It 'may' have alienated WM users, but that's WM's issue, not Curse's.

    proph⋅et

    1. a person who speaks for God or a deity, or by divine inspiration.

    So who is this deity that Curse is supposed to be alienating it's users for?

    "You have insured that when I click the little wow matrix links to curses addons, I will most definitely be using an addblocker"

    I don't see that as an issue at all, since you can't click on links in WM that connect to curse hosted addons.  Attempt failed, try again?

    "I was trying to find both sides of the story and see who I felt had more legitimacy."

    I love it when people have to state what is obviously the exact opposite of what really happened.  You came here to rant against Curse, which is apparent by the tone of your post.  Had you really wanted to get 'both sides of the story' you'd have read it all, read the comments and explanations by Curse representatives concerning this issue, and followed the links given in numerous places to the proof of what WM actually does, before forming an opinion and posting.  

  • Sat, May 9 2009 11:46 AM ()

    By requiring addon authors to only host their products on curse or wowinterface sites in order to receive the "kickback" or "20% donation going directly to addon authors"....these websites have put themselves in direct violation of the new blizzard rules.

    they have become a larger version of Carbonite by putting lots of addons under their umbrella and then forcing those addons to ONLY host on their site and by paying the addon authors from funds directly generated from the sale of the updater service (not from donations)....the authors can now be considered employees.  By virtue of those addons ONLY being allowed on Curse affilliated sites, they are restricting access and the addon authors are being paid directly, not from donations.

    The individual things that this website has done over time do not constitute a violation.  It is the combination that puts them in violation.

  • Sat, May 9 2009 9:16 AM ()

    Your not stating facts, your stating your own beliefs which is full of ignorance please unplug your internet before you hurt your tiny brain.

    love the attitude though "waaaa i i'm a spoiled brat, a worthless ingrate, and i can't have what i want some i'm gonna call you all liars to make myself feel better"

  • Sat, May 9 2009 2:35 AM ()

    See also the other side of the story:

    www.wowmatrix.com/.../site-updates.html

    "It is clear that both Curse and WoWInterface are more concerned about their own profits than working with us to help better serve the gaming community."

  • Fri, May 8 2009 2:21 AM ()

    Curse or WoWI have never claimed that 'they shut down wm'.  The simply stated that they have taken steps to prevent WM from deeplinking to their files to prevent the abuse of Curse/WoWI resources.

    I chose to respond to you because you decided to copy/paste the entire WM response to this, then called the operators of Curse liars.  You selectively chose to believe WM's response while disregarding the 18 months worth of evidence that disputes it, and totally reject the explanations from Curse.

    WM says they offered Curse a deal. Curse never said they didn't. Curse said the offer was so low it didn't cover even a small portion of the costs of allowing WM to pull from the Curse site.  

    Tell you what.  Assuming you have a car I'd like to make you an offer on it on the spot.  I'll give you $1.50 for it.  Using your logic, that must be a fair offer because I made it, so you have to take it.  You can send me your address so I can come pick it up.

    And you, along with the others that make the argument that Curse is violating Blizzard policy are grossly misinformed, or have been convinced of this through faulty logic and a severe lack of understanding of Blizzard's policy.

    As for reporting to Blizzard, how disconnected are you to think Blizzard isn't fully aware of this?  If they weren't when it originally happened (which I have no proof but would guess someone at Blizzard was aware of this, even if it was just their forum moderators since WM has been discussed to death on the official Blizzard forums, on WoWAce, on WoWI, and a number of other places for a long time) I'm sure they know now, since there have been a number of new threads about it on their forums.  Just about the only place it hasn't been discussed is on the WM forums, because they don't have them and don't interact at all with their users.

  • halaa said 
    Fri, May 8 2009 12:03 AM ()

    Himehroyd fuuny how we should belive curse either its tuff to decide who is telling the truth funny how 2 diffrent sites claim they shut down wm, but havent now the question is will curse and wowi be able to handle what wm will ofeer that curse cant or wowi, and curse and wowi flame wm just as much as wm is flaming them guy's i find it funny, but funny how none else said anything to others who comaplin about it like post below me and you picked mine, the turth is i dont give a shit about clicking add's to boost revune its a company if your broke ass cant afford it get rid if it, and im not paying for a shitty client to support mod's i like there work, but the new poilicy forbids it and curse is going against the new eula of wow so hinch fuck curse.

  • Thu, May 7 2009 11:16 PM ()

    @halaa

    Funny how you'll take WM's word for things blindly, without having followed this issue for the past 18 months.  Why would you believe a statement about the issue that took them 3 weeks to craft once their 'product' stopped working correctly?

    If you really want to find some support for your cause, you should be posting about this on the WM forums and get their community behind you.  Oh wait.  They have no community to get support from and no forums to use to interact with their user base at all.

  • halaa said 
    Thu, May 7 2009 10:19 PM ()

    Curse and WoWInterface - Frequently Asked Questions

    Q. What is the issue regarding Curse and WoWInterface?

    A. On the day of patch 3.1, when users needed to update many of their AddOns, Curse and WoWInterface deliberately started blocking AddOn updaters (such as WowMatrix) from connecting to their sites.

    The main reason they have provided for taking this action is that users of WowMatrix were utilizing their bandwidth when downloading AddOns, which was costing them resources.

    Although we do not agree with their actions, we respect their position in this matter, and so WowMatrix does not currently download AddOns from either Curse or WoWInterface.

    We are now hosting AddOns on our own servers, such as the ones as requested by authors, as well as the ones that come with free distribution licenses.

    Q. Why did WowMatrix connect to their sites instead of hosting AddOns on your own servers in the first place?

    A. One of the main goals of WowMatrix, like any other cross-site updater, has always been to fill a very important need in this community, which is to allow users to safely and easily install and update all of their AddOns, regardless of the site at which they may be hosted, at no charge.

    This is because there has never been, and likely never will be, a single site that hosts every single AddOn, which causes users to have to monitor multiple sites or use multiple software updaters.

    If we were to host our own AddOns from the start, then that would simply add to this problem, not solve it.

    Also, when we first launched our website WowMatrix.com (before we started working on the cross-site updater application), it was just another fan site containing a list of some nice AddOns that we thought users would like.

    An example of such a site is: wow.buffed.de/.../add-ons

    And just like many fan sites, such as the one mentioned above, we did host a number of AddOns on our servers, with the kind intention of helping offset bandwidth costs.

    Later on, when we launched WowMatrix (the cross-site updater application), we made a post at WowAce's 'Updater' forum (note: WowAce which was subsequently acquired by Curse), and when we kindly suggested the possibility of hosting their AddOns on our servers to help with the bandwidth, the WowAce administrator promptly rejected the idea publicly.

    This, coupled with the fact that at the time, WowAce provided an RSS feed containing direct download links to the AddOns, made it clear to us that they would very much prefer that our updater download directly from their servers, and not from our own (which is the exact opposite of what they would like now).

    So, that is why we did not host AddOns on our servers from the very beginning (which we would have been happy to do in the first place!).

    Q. Did Curse and WoWInterface try to negotiate with you guys to resolve the bandwidth issue before blocking WowMatrix from their sites?

    A. No, absolutely not. In fact, we were the ones who approached both Curse and WoWInterface with beneficial proposals many months ago. We are probably still the only AddOn updater to have done this.

    Our proposals included all 3 of the following:

    a) Making regular financial contributions to cover bandwidth usage by our updater.

    b) Technical implementations to reduce such bandwidth usage by third party updaters such as WowMatrix.

    c) Additional exposure within our software to drive more traffic to their sites, thereby increasing their revenue and user base.

    WoWInterface completely ignored the proposal, while Curse rejected the proposal on the spot, while making threats and trying to buy us out for cheap instead, so as to get rid of us completely.

    Instead of taking the time to negotiate on our proposal, they were trying very hard to negotiate on the price of the buyout instead. It was an insult to ourselves and to our users.

    It is clear that both Curse and WoWInterface are more concerned about their own profits than working with us to help better serve the gaming community.

    On a side note, with regard to proposal (a), we would have preferred that we host the AddOns on our own servers. That way, we are sure to cover 100% of the bandwidth usage by users of WowMatrix, instead of figures suggested by either party (them or us).

    However, as mentioned earlier, when we first launched the software updater, it was clear that they did not like the idea of us hosting AddOns on our own servers (which again, is the exact opposite of what they now prefer).

    Q. What does this mean for AddOn authors?

    A. AddOn authors can now have their AddOns hosted directly on our servers by contacting us via our Feedback Form. We will be adding a login area for authors and other related features soon. More details can be found here.

    Q. What does this mean for WowMatrix users?

    A. Due to the childish behavior of Curse and WoWInterface, there is currently a reduced number of AddOns that can be installed via WowMatrix. We are working with authors directly to have their AddOns hosted on our servers.

    As mentioned earlier, it will not be possible to find every AddOn on a single site, and the same issue applies to us (since we are now being forced to become just such a site, although we do also work with a number of additional sites).

    Nevertheless, due to the amount of support we have received from both authors and users alike, we will do our best to ensure that even with a reduced number of AddOns, WowMatrix continues to be an awesome AddOn updater for everyone.

    Q. How can I help?

    A. If an AddOn that is not currently supported comes with a free distribution license (such as GPL, LGPL, BSD, MIT, Apache, Academic, Public Domain, etc.), do let us know and we should be able to host it on our servers.

    Please note that sometimes such AddOns are not labeled correctly on the websites. For example, an AddOn may be labeled 'All rights reserved', but when you download and open it, it may contain a free distribution license. In that case, we would still be able to host the AddOn.

    Otherwise, if you know the author of the AddOn, you may wish to get in touch with them and see if they would like to host their AddOns on our servers, and to have them contact us if they do.

    We would like to thank all of the authors and users who have been supporting and encouraging us. We will continue to do our best to serve the community.

    just to show curse is lier's and they was offered a deal, and wowmatrix, and they tied to buy them out, and when wowmatrix refused they ry to sell curse to them, funny how pathic curse has become, by the way curse you know your voilating the new blizzard deal charging people to update there addon's, yes it does voilate it becuase hinch why one idoit perfer to update 1 addon at a time then rather use the update all becuase your gay ass wants to charge for update to all addon's.

    i guess ill be reporting you to blizz everyone else should also, this would knock curse off its ass about there shitty client now. and fuck mazzle to i used to like him until him and curse became dick's, mazze dont ever come back to wow you ui i sucked when u let other dumbass's mess with it, now your just a joke like your crappy addon, thet dosent work anymore, good luck to you in the futre curse you lost me from your site, one less bandwith to worry to not pay your bill's bitch's!

  • sadyc said 
    Wed, May 6 2009 2:07 PM ()

    See also the other side of the story:

    www.wowmatrix.com/.../site-updates.html

    "It is clear that both Curse and WoWInterface are more concerned about their own profits than working with us to help better serve the gaming community."

  • Gunseb said 
    Mon, May 4 2009 11:45 AM ()

    If WoWMatrix do some bad things such as deeplinking parts of other sites without any compensation for example, they also give a free tool to users. Only based on donation (I used to donate).

    Curse used to be free... until it worked so much (helped by WoWMatrix undernmines) that it's not free anymore... And no choice for users... Oops!!! I mean customers! No matter anyway : as far as they pay games subscriptions they can afford external tools too!

    And yet another Authors Rights Crusade that brings money to content hosters!! Not enough money brought from adds, they need more and more!

    Great world we're living in! By the way I'm sure that WoWMatrix datamodel provide everything needed to show Author's name anyway.

    Am I a WoWMatrix fan?? No! I just changed for Curse client (more user friendly and using less temporary files not erased) before it goes Premium. Wonder why I changed my mind few days ago?

  • Fri, May 1 2009 3:28 PM ()

    "All of this merely brings us back to, there is NO VIOLATION OF AUTHORS RIGHTS with regards to where people get their downloads from.

    CHECK US CONSTITUTIONAL LAW.  There HAS to be a BENEFIT from one person using another person's creation.  As all of the concerned parties in this dispute, NONE OF THEM HAVE CLAIMED A BENEFIT FROM CREATING THESE SITES/ADDONS.  If there is no benefit, there is no violation.

    That does not mean that, if in the future, Curse wanted to start charging people and then paid the "authors" for subsequent subscriber use, that there never would be any benefit. "

    weird how this post kinda reinforces curses side of the coin if this was to go to lawsuit.

    bah whats the point in posting nothings gna change anyways, people are just gna stop playn the game completely and where will curse be then.

  • Fri, May 1 2009 3:04 PM ()

    iv previously posted in thi thread showing outright support for curse and for what they were standing for however.......

    being bitterly dissapointed while posting this comment is an extreme understatment after opening curse client to find that i could no longer download addons all at once or recieve automatic updates unless i payed money (YES MONEY!!!!) for a freeware service!!!!

    Cmon u have got to be kidding me here honestly after a short time thinking about it i realised yes wowmatrix was wrong but what if there was  also another reason for curse taking a stance......yep u got it people its called money

    ask yourself this why would people using wow matrix use a curse interface of the same standard ( by standard i mean the current client) when they had to pay for it where as wow matrix was free???

    well......

    curse obviously had this plan in mind for some time and were just waiting for the first oppertunity to put htere plans into frutation

    bitterly dissapointed curse.

  • Azidonis said 
    Mon, Apr 27 2009 3:44 PM ()

    There are some AddOns which are out-of-date, like AutoRes on Curse and Chiccai on WowInterface. However, the mods work perfectly and without any bugs. So who cares if they are out of date?

    Many times you find a mod you really like that is out of date there are 3 options: 1) if it still works, who cares, 2) most likely there is another form of the mod and it is current, or 3) simply don't use the AddOn or any form of it.

    Frankly, I think the cool thing about Curse and WoWInterface is that they keep outdated mods available. Some of them still work and are really awesome. Some of them don't, but chances are if they were nice enough mods, someone took over the project or made a variation of it. Either way, it's cool of the site admins to leave the mods up.

    If you don't like seeing the outdated ones, maybe you can do what I do. If I am look for say, a Shaman totem mod like I was last weekend, I went to the Shaman section and the first thing I did was organize the list by Last Updated. Then, I simply looked through the ones that have been updated since the last patch, as those are most likely the ones that are going to be continued. The rest will fall as they may. I ended up with TotemTimers, which is a very nice mod, and I will use it until I see a TotemCaddy update somewhere. I used CurseClient to plop it into my computer, and configured it in-game. The entire sequence took less time than it did to write this post.

    In short, I don't see the big deal about the old AddOns being up.

    Further more, kudos to Curse and WoWInterface for doing something about WoWMatrix. I had no idea how they got all their information until I read it on this Site, and as soon as I learned the horrible story, I promptly deleted my WTF and Interface folders and started again from scratch, the legit way. Her'es to your success in the future!

  • Sat, Apr 25 2009 1:22 PM ()

    i was asking if there was anything that can be done to clean up all the old addons on the site that are older then 6months without updates or addons that are not being updated anymore ,, maybe its me but i think curse needs a spring cleaning.

    just my thoughts

  • Sat, Apr 25 2009 12:30 PM ()

    scrimpy32--

    "I like the curse client but the more i look the more addons i find that are so far out of date its not funny , anything I can do to help ?"

    A number of addons are no longer in development, so they are out of date.  A few authors have moved off of curse as their primary hosting site to another service, so the versions here might be behind.

    If you were updating from WM, since they change the information in the TOC, how do you know that addons you've been updating aren't old, out of development addons to start with?

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