Dual Spec, Armory Update, Daily Blue

re: Dual Spec, Armory Update, Daily Blue

Priss2035 — Wed, 22 Oct 2008 15:51:54 GMT

Well, here is my point of view for the Dual Specs issue. Look at the situation with Prot Warriors and Prot/Holy Paladins. Prot Warriors basically are talented to take a beating. Which is good. But when you go from a fight like, say, Magtheridon, where you would like to have 5 tanks, you go from 5 tanks to only needing 1. Well, that's fine and good if you had 5 Druids, the 4 other druids can go DPS. However, if you have more than 1 Prot Warrior or more than 1 Prot Paladin. You just lost n-1 number of effective people in your raid, where n = the number of Prot Warrior/Paladins because the gear they use to tank, renders them less effective as DPS or Healing because the gear is setup for mitigation or threat generation, not pure dps. For Warriors, the DPS gain comes from the additional abilities that Fury or Arms allows to generate more damage. Same with Ret Paladins. Holy Paladins rely on gear that has MP5, Spellpower AND Spell Crit, which their tanking gear focuses a little on spell power and avoidance, less about MP5 and Spell Crit, which makes them not as good healers in long fights. What is failed to be seen here is, on the PvE side, classes like Warriors and Paladins can use the dual spec switching allowance for that. You also ignore the fact that this helps DPS classes for fights where there is things such as Fire and Frost immune situations. Mages who are specced mostly fire or Frost, are literally rendered gimped when facing a mob that is immune to their primary spec, which means their Frost and Arcane isn't going to do well against a Fire immune mob if they are specced mostly for Fire. For the PvPers, this allows people to have a PvE and PvP setup so that they can enjoy both aspects of the game. We have to wait and see what they have in mind, but at the same time, be realistic of some of the issues that will come up in some raids. With the way 10 and 25 mans are now, having less effective people holds the raid down more than when it was with 40.

re: Dual Spec, Armory Update, Daily Blue

FattysXP — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 16:16:04 GMT

kulviks : uhhh no? you have to go to a trainer to swap. Its not something you can just type a command for or open a new menu for. Basically this is just making life better on classes that got the "You can't be hybrid anymore" boot. On my druid there is no possible way to spec tank, dps and have either of those specs decent enough to pvp with. I assume the system will be like a bank. You can buy slots for specs, and switch them around at will at a class trainer. No cooldowns, no gold requirements. If I want to go pvp, I can switch to my pvp spec and queue. This is honestly a god send, I was beginning to think I might abandon my druid in favor of another less spec bouncy class.

re: Dual Spec, Armory Update, Daily Blue

mackemacke — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:51:23 GMT

the death of pure dps classes comes when dual specc comes... think about it a mage can only switch from dps to dps, sure its good if we get fire/frost/arcane immune bosses were other class can just switch specc b4 boss fight if its needed it would work if hybrid did got lower damage but they got the ability to change specc to help heal or help tank

re: Dual Spec, Armory Update, Daily Blue

gruselsack — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 14:05:44 GMT

yep i d like to switch my shaman as well^^ ne1 arround knowing how to offgame edit this wondrous new calendar?

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lordgreg — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:07:40 GMT

Yay! Dual Spec news! I really hope it will be before WOTLK. Oh, another thing- video link doesn't work at the moment of typing this comment. Really can't wait for dual-spec, this will spare me some gold too. And now, when healing+spelldmg went into Spellpower, i can't wait to try it switching between Resto shaman <-> Ele shaman and Balance druid & Resto one :) Yay!

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kulviks — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:37:06 GMT

though i woulden mind if they made it so you can switch with out a CD in instances, makes it abit more viable for pve

re: Dual Spec, Armory Update, Daily Blue

kulviks — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:35:04 GMT

dont count to much on a CD, atleast not that high, 12-24 hours would just be lame, would be easier and faster to just grind the gold and respec, but yes i guess they should at some point put a CD on it, but not long, just something to prevent the pvp part you talk about of going out of combat fast switching and then pom pyro or something, but again, guess they would have to make it some kind of pvp CD, since no matter the CD length they would be able to atlest once do the switch in pvp