The new PvE system.

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Nimloth — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:25:10 GMT

I don't think the "keying" up for zones will impact hardcore guilds at all actually. Most the older guilds that came from games such as Everquest are all used to this kind of requirements, and have been asking for the implementation of this since the release of Blackwing Lair!

Good read though :)

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Slinkydog — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:25:08 GMT

Having read your "article", this merely confirms that most "Hardcore" players are idiots with zero time or interest in ENJOYING the game and accepting the wipes as well as the wins. It is a real pity that Blizzard doesn't work out a PvE system that would encurage elitist fools like you to go play Guild Wars instead.

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Pjotrd — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:25:07 GMT

Nice article, would be interested to see a flow chart to show the attunement process. Where to start where it finally leads to.

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Akir — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:25:06 GMT

Just because getting into hardcore raid instances is now harder, you will still not see anything near the scope of "noob extinction" that you mentioned. There will still be plenty of 70's who either continuously run 5-man's and PvP, and only do the easy raid instances. Really the only thing you are saying is that hardcore raiding will have one more obstacle so that it is reserved for... hardcore raiders. Even when BWL attunement was easy, most casual players never saw the inside because it requires 39 other members to get in. It won't make much of a difference.

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net — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:25:05 GMT

Good Article, bumped!

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Demoncrusher — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:25:04 GMT

Love the article mate :)

I agree to the point that Blizzard made the attunements a little to demanding of the players, we all have our individual schedules with work and school, which leads to different phases. I would not wish to test the patience with my fellow guildmates, and I'm sure they wouldn't want to do the same to me.

Easy speaking, Blizzard made a great expansion, but demanded alot more effort from the previous half-hearted end-gamers. Although I've not done any of the attunements, I'm sure that you will be half-hearted when you're done, even as a former pure-hardcore end-gamer.

Best Regards Demoncrusher

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Dusan2 — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:25:03 GMT

Nice, but I definitely do not agree with you that people who play PvP or 5-man instances are "Noobs", first of all, no matter how proud are you PvE hardcore veterans, I think that both aspects of the game are done very good and insulting people who play PvP will only lead to you being insulted from them and mass whining on forums when Blizzard advances any of the systems. Two: “NOOB EXTINCTION” will only happen when you harcore raiders try to help those "noobs", so you take part in "NOOB EXTINCION". Hey, is it my fault that most people who play WoW don't even know what internet connection they have? I know several players on my server to which I explained basic things and they entered top raiding guilds of my server. Conclusion: Don't wait for Blizzard to do "NOOB EXTINCION", do it yourself! Thanks.

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Akumo — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:25:02 GMT

Like it, Bumped.

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Sarnat — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:25:01 GMT

You can raid 25man without *any* keys - Gruul's Lair. And you ain't gonna be going to the next one any time soon, if you move to the next after gearing up a bit. We're just practicing on the first boss at the moment and it's not that easy.

Well written maybe, but I don't agree with most of it, except that BC made WoW a much better game - in all aspects.

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Piccione — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:25:00 GMT

Nice article but i do not agree on few points. First of all Wow before tbc was something really near a "Nerd race". It did not count how you were able to play the game. It did not count the gear you had. The only thing the Hardcore guilds were looking for was the time you were able to play. And pvp was even worse. I have seen a lot of Noobs inside hardcore guilds with a full tier2 and a lot of noobs at rank14. They were just playing 24/h a day. But this is a normal thing for an Mmorpg. The attunement thing only prevents ppl from jumping from Uldaman to Naxxranamas. I have seen a lot of greenies (friends of guild masters) jumping the whole Scholo/strath experience progress and coming to Mc. Personally i don't think that completing all the istances is something different from what someone should have done before TBC.

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Wiseguy — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:24:59 GMT

Great article and i agre on that the new changes are made for the better, but tbh some quest chains are to long and take to long for any regualr player to complete them within a resonable timelimit..

And btw, its Mt. Hyjal in Caverns of time thats the hardest instance to get attuned for :)

You have to clear both coilfang and tempest keep raidinstances to get in :)

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Animastrife — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:24:58 GMT

Great article. I love the Noob extinction thing, as I am sure many people are too.

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fiilt — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:24:57 GMT

Good article. One major problem I have with this whole lots of five-mans thing is..

Joy, I get to tank a WANK load with my warrior. I wanna DPS... QQ...

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Morfcake — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:24:56 GMT

tbh I like this

I will never forget that i farmed my shitty blue tanking gear in scholo/dm/ubrs for ages than one of my friends was lucky to join a pve guild doing MC and while i was crapping myself to get those blue stuff he went to MC with ST/ZF gear just cuz he had more time to play

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Sanju — Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:24:55 GMT

To be completely honest, thats alot of BS. I just love this part:

"They will either "morph" into very good and experienced players, _OR_ dedicate themselves to PvP or quit WoW."

Haha, really, I've been what some would call a hardcore raider, always restoration specced, raiding 5-6 days per week, cleared all instances in the game pre-TBC. And if I should mention the 10 best players I know, atleast 7 or 8 of those 10 would be GM's (Rank 14's).

I've seen rank 14's join our PvE guild, and completely rape everyone on the dmgmeters.

it, this aint worth my time. You're way too narrow-minded dude. Quit the hating, and start accepting that people play WoW to have fun - And not everyone have fun by doing the same. To me it looks like you made this post because you're frustrated with the amount of noobs in your guild, but you're just a normal member, and cant do jackshit about it.