Not unlikely to come in the next big content patch, unless Blizzard decides to do like EA did to BF2 series, and release many small upgrade packs. But I do not think that will happen, since Blizz got a steady income from our monthly fees. Even though, I have a hard time to figure out where in the crowded area of Outlands Blizz would create a completely new area, including the instance itself... Unless that is what they have planned for Blade's Edge.

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Where you got this log from would be nice to know aswell, so I can check it up :D

Does no-one stay dead in the game! Geez!

learn to read warcraft books he just flies from the battle when hes fighting time dragon dream dragon and red dragon and the blue dragon

Blizzard has stated many times that the books have nothing to do with World of Warcraft's lore and its progression.

You're so wrong with that one. A lot of lore has been taken from the books into the game. Heck Chris Metzen makes sure the lore fits in with the books and games.

I'm not sure how my statement is wrong. Are you telling me Gruul the Dragonkiller is more powerful than Ragnaros in the books? Or does Gruul not exist at all?

Funny, I thought they just made the lore up as they go along these days...

"I have an idea, let's change the lore!"

Deathwing can't die, he's one of the Aspects (Deathwing the Earth-Warder). If he dies, it would completely screw up Azeroth.

Neltharion is his Aspect name, if you want to get technical. I think "Deathwing lore revealed!" would be a more fitting title for this, IMO.

Also remember that C'Thun is an Old God, but appeared in a weakened form. It's entirely possible Deathwing will appear at some point, in a weakened form as well.

It will not be hard to fit in outlands... You know why?

Because it wont be in outlands... It will be in Azeroth and the place will be Hyjal... If anyone has been there like I have there is a cave there that kinda looks likes Onyxia's cave mouth. It is in the shape of a dragon and looks a lot like Deathwing IMO

You completely misinterpreted my comment. Please re-read it; I said the books do not impact the lore progression in World of Warcraft, which has been very true thus far; Gruul the Dragonkiller is a more powerful being than an Old God, the son and daughter of Deathwing, and an elemental lord.

Not only that, but so is the king of the ogres. See where I'm coming from now?

The maps from WC2 showed Deathwing's Lair as an island to the east of Shadowmoon Valley and Hellfire Peninsula. It won't be hard to fit it in.

As to the books having nothing to do with Warcraft lore... Are you on crack? Lord of the Clans, Rise of the Horde, The Sunwell Trilogy, Day of the Dragon, The Last Guardian, and Cycle of Hatred. There is lore in WoW thats stems directly from those books. The only books of questionable lore value are the War of the Ancients trilogy.

since what ive seen, maybe the 2nd lair of deathwing on azeroth (which is unknown) may be under hyjal... which would be cool cause they already ahve that instance there..

but maybe they will re-create a BWLish type instance since they both deal with the same thing..

First off I would like to say that I love little lore snippets like this. Second I will add that Lore and game level will not always meet at the same point. Lore creates the beautiful world in which we play. Game level balances the interactive side, which often times does not relate at all to level. Level is a relative measure that serves to balance the game's actual game play. The fact that Lore seems to be almost on par with level at this point is merely a byproduct of good design.

As to the what being more powerful etc, please people pay attention to the story. Ragnaros was in a weakened state, because of this he was not 'ready' yet and we caught him off guard. C'Thun was just beginning to emerge, we laid the smack down on him before he could get stronger. Hakkar was merely the last Avatar of himself left on the world. The actual god behind him was slain long ago.

So in short, the story tries to justify the relative strength of said things merely to keep the Lore fanatics semi-happy. And for their efforts on this front I applaud them.

so in other words we've rely just been "lucky" to catch these "gods" off guard?

As to weather or not we see Deathwing i f***ing hope so.

If we're following Lore here, shouldn't he look a lot different to Nefarion (model-wise) as he is only held together by the armor the goblins made for him (according to Lore) and is not quite a dragon-looking dragon... terrible wording but u get the point

The books DO have a small part or lore in the game. You see little integrations of their stories everywhere. I see Krasus' name on a few items. Zuluhed (quest from shadowmoon) was mentioned in The Day of the Dragons. Just little stuff like that. I'm somewhat inclined to believe that Hyjal might be the place. I don't think they'd use his lair from WC2. First of all, his last fight (the fight with the other 4 aspects) was in Azeroth and his lair was destroyed in WC2. I dunno it could be either or. But he could very easily be still weak from his last fight, he was injured badly plus he lost the demon soul. If he was up and healthy he would've shown himself by now.

If you did fight him I doubt he'd die. Illidan supposedly doesn't die. You'll probably defeat him and he'll retreat or something.

Anyways I hope he's in the game. That would make my day. But there's no point in arguing like this. Just wait and see what Blizz makes of it.

holy crap!

Rofocal That about Illidan not dying im not so sure of. Well, anyways Illidans model do have a custom die animation.

To all of you "lore does not scale"-questioners out there: Have you ever had a good think about how big this game has grown lately?

In the beginning, Blizzard created the heaven and the earth, and they saw that it was good. Soon thereafter, there were people questioning why the sky was blue, and why the earth was solid; and very shortly, they had the best selling MMORPG in history.

The original game was set up so that Ragnaros (pre-Nefarion) was the strongest being alive; a liutenant of an Old God - in a weakened state - and back then, 40 man had a huge struggle to bring him down. After that, we fought the offspring of an Aspect (as with Onyxia, Nefarions *little* sister) and his works; which 40 man still had some grevious problems with at first. As time went on, the fighters get stronger and more experienced, and we down an Old God, or at least the weakened avatar of one (it is speculated that he even is only one half of himself); which, once again, proved very difficult. By now I suppose you catch where I'm goin', so I don't have to get into the Naxxramas-part.

When we get to the Outlands discussion, things to consider is: -We only fight in 25-man groups -- therefore you might ponder about who is really the strongest; a creature of might being destroyed by 40-man, or by 25. -We have, for example, Magtheridon, while being a Pit Lord, is also both captured and recovering from a series of mortal wounds -- not in great shape so to speak.

In my eyes, Blizzard incorporates the lore in a nice and somewhat polished matter seeing as to how big the game has grown. The initial idea of fighting a weakened elemental liutenant has now escalated to fighting Illidan, probably the greatest spellcaster of Night Elven history, WITH his demonic strength.

Now, seeing as you have read my wall of text, think about how you would have reacted and continued on from Blizzards stand. They had a great foundation with BWL as the real end-game, but when more and more people started playing and such a huge amount of players conquered the "end", they were forced to develop new content, whilst still considering lore and scaling with difficulty. Sure, Gruul might be somewhat overpowered in comparison to Kel'Thuzas for example, but keep in mind that we have progressed from lvl60 to lvl70, gotten huge upgrades in gear and experience.

I believe that the overall lore-incorporation in WoW is great, with some flaws here and there; but still keeping in mind that some things cannot be altered and some will have to be subdued when considering in-game experience and difficulty-thresholds.

That's me for now. Pumbz -- Lorekeeper of Memento Mori, Frostmane EU