So... I'm in IRC and I'm told that WoWMatrix breaks addons. I'd like a better understanding of why they're broken. Possibly some user accounts of people having issues with WoWMatrix and why the curse client is superior.

IRC isn't so friendly, hoping to get a better response from the forums.

<Toadkiller> we really dont have time to explain this to every noob that shows up.  You are too lazy to search the forums so u will just have to be content with the statement do not use wowmatrix.

On another note, since aparently I'm a "noob".

The search feature came up with one result.

http://wow.curse.com/forums/p/49413/266053.aspx#266053

After some web hunting (Google search works as intended), I've educated myself a bit more on WoWmatrix.

http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=14361&highlight=WoWMatrix

Aparently it's not a cool tool to use because it doesn't make refrence to the original writer of the mod. In addition, it leaches bandwith from hosts of the mods making it a pretty sleezy program. Especially since the authors of WoWMatrix are getting revenue from advertisers. Those links across the WoWMatrix interface are advertisers who pay WoWMatrix yet WoWMatrix isn't making reference to the people who create the mods nor do they make refernce to the hosts which they leach bandwith from.

As much as I'd like to move away from Wowmatrix as soon as possible, no one has yet presented a viable alternative. I was a huge fan of WAU for sake if it's transparency when updating and it's ease of use. I don't think Wowmatrix holds a candle to WAU, but the same can be said of the CC compared to Wowmatrix.

It's seems obvious that CC is quickly improving, but the fact that much of what it does seems to be behind the scenes is (at least for someone as suspicious as me) cause for concern. I am using CC for as much as I can, but it has the daunting task of hosting EVERY addon or at least a resonable alternative to really corner the market. One of the strengths of the WAU was that because it was so easy to use and intuitive people would opt for addons it hosted instead of others just because they preferred using the WAU over going to each website in order to update their addons.

Big shoes to fill. Want to see CC succeed. Huge void where WAU once was.

I'm confused as to one of the operations CC goes through. after updating a few of my addons it begins showing me windows with several options for which package I'd like to update a certain addon with. I'd never come accross that before with WAU as far as there being more than one current version of each addon (unless it was an alpha or a "NAME2" that offered an explaination as to why it existed.) seeing "Recommended" vs "100%" doesn't really sell me on the right choice there. I think adopting an easy to understand version naming convention is better than offering the same version written by what seems to be up to 10 different authors in some cases. I know one of them is the right one. point me in the right direction. Who wrote MY version?

I like that there is a mechanism for the CC to find updates for itself automatically. I don't like that it looks for updates for all of my addons all hours of the day. With the WAU you were making a deliberate effort to go and update your addons. if a version broke the addon you knew when it happened and what version did it. If I let my CC just update whenever it found any updates it would be much harder for me to determine what addon and what versions of the addon broke. When I see what was updated I know what was updated. when it does it in the background I feel too out of the loop.

my $0.02.

(The version of TrinketMenu hosted on Curse is out of date. there is an update to it.)

I agree fully Wowmatrix is superior atm.
And shure there isnt a nifty bar with mod author specifically, but u CAN rightclick the mod and visit the website who hosts it and see who has made the mod also if u click it u get a presentation of who made it etc.

Its just so simply imo that wowmatrix blows curse client away, curse client can say that the latet version were release the 15th but if i visit the cursegaming site it can say that it was updated today, 4 hours ago for example.

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Originally Posted by ProperMethodz

After some web hunting (Google search works as intended), I've educated myself a bit more on WoWmatrix.

http://forums.wowace.com/showthread.php?t=14361&highlight=WoWMatrix

Aparently it's not a cool tool to use because it doesn't make refrence to the original writer of the mod. In addition, it leaches bandwith from hosts of the mods making it a pretty sleezy program. Especially since the authors of WoWMatrix are getting revenue from advertisers. Those links across the WoWMatrix interface are advertisers who pay WoWMatrix yet WoWMatrix isn't making reference to the people who create the mods nor do they make refernce to the hosts which they leach bandwith from.

 

But at the same time Curse Client feeds data to WowDB and WarDB which are their websites which they make money off of. Trust me, no one is putting in all that hard work to develop this software for free. Money is being made! Use whichever is most enjoyable for you :)

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Originally Posted by ProperMethodz

Aparently it's not a cool tool to use because it doesn't make refrence to the original writer of the mod. In addition, it leaches bandwith from hosts of the mods making it a pretty sleezy program. Especially since the authors of WoWMatrix are getting revenue from advertisers. Those links across the WoWMatrix interface are advertisers who pay WoWMatrix yet WoWMatrix isn't making reference to the people who create the mods nor do they make refernce to the hosts which they leach bandwith from.

Exactly why you SHOULD use the Curse client.

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Originally Posted by leonffs

But at the same time Curse Client feeds data to WowDB and WarDB which are their websites which they make money off of. Trust me, no one is putting in all that hard work to develop this software for free. Money is being made! Use whichever is most enjoyable for you :)

Exactly why you SHOULD NOT use the Curse client.

It is really a "better of two evils" situation. Which is the most acceptable to you and go with it. In the end most will just end up with Curse because of the popularity of the site and the loss of WoWAce.com. I am a little weary about the future release of the paid subscriptions and all the information that has been gathered from us all this time and now if you want an elevated subscription you will have to pay. Hmmm.... kinda like a bait and switch, but if they can keep the free version with all the current features then I guess it will be acceptable.

If you object to helping build the database communities, you can always disable the Curse Profiler addons, and then no data will be sent to us.

The other moral issue with WoWMatrix is that it supports spammers and gold sellers by running ads for those services, which Curse does not.  If you buy gold or enjoy the occasional spam in game, then this probably doesn't bother you.

Improving the Curse Client is our number 1 priority atm, and I think when the next version is released people who feel stuck using WoWMatrix due to issues they have had with the CC will be relieved.

Why doesn't Curse and Wowinterface just block Wowmatrixes access to the files on the site?

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Originally Posted by Kupotek

Why doesn't Curse and Wowinterface just block Wowmatrixes access to the files on the site?

For example when I access this site they only know what my IP address is and a few other tidbits. They can use my IP to block me but since my provider, klike 90% of them out there, assignes me a different IP on occassion there is no way to reliably tell who is who. I can also force my IP to be different by using proxy servers, etc... (out of the scope of this conversation) Wowmatrix benefits from this fact.

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Originally Posted by Prodigal

If you object to helping build the database communities, you can always disable the Curse Profiler addons, and then no data will be sent to us.

The other moral issue with WoWMatrix is that it supports spammers and gold sellers by running ads for those services, which Curse does not.  If you buy gold or enjoy the occasional spam in game, then this probably doesn't bother you.

Improving the Curse Client is our number 1 priority atm, and I think when the next version is released people who feel stuck using WoWMatrix due to issues they have had with the CC will be relieved.

Currently, just looking at the Curse Client DL page, there's not much information on changelogs and version date releases.

Just something that seems pretty easy to keep readily available and doesn't seem to be visibly posted.

Also, when is the next version due? The lacking of features in the current Curse Client is makeing it lose it's alure.

There are alternatives to both Curse client and Wowmatrix out there. I still use WUU - WoW UI Updater and it works like a charm. It takes a little setup so it is NOT for a 'click it and forget it' type user but it does provide credit to the authors and links to their work.

I have been using WOWMatrix since Wui stopped being maintained and I have yet to have any issues. I don't get "spammed" in game, I don't care if the Gold Farmers are spending money advertising and I'm able to click on a link to view the addon in-depth and find out about the author. Curse Client doesn't support a third of my addons, which is a deal killer, sorry. I'm not about to switch to an addon manager, let alone spend money on, to make myself manually search and update my addons. WOWMatrix is a tool that gets the job done. Other tools I use are the Curse addon download page, where I can read about the addon more indepth and comment to the authors about bugs and "WTG's!!". I also use WOWHead to gather info on what I may currently be working on in game.

It's a tool, that's all.

I would really like to see CC updated to just include support for all of the different UI sites, but heh, not going to happen.

Until WoWM starts supports the big sites like Curse, WoWI, I'm not going to use it because it doesn't support a third of my addons, which I can only find here.

Ok, so I thought this was a load of Bull until this week I noticed all my addons we're F*ing up on me. Some how none of my usualy addons like X-perl, Recount, and other addons weren't working properly. I made sure I updated them all but there was still a problem where it would "half" work and only bug out and not work properly. Then I would get errors saying that there's problems with the mods. I would do the usual like /toggle omen or something of that sort and it would toggle but not work or anything. I deleted WoWmatrix, my addon folder and did the old fashion search and click. Yes it was longer but no errors and everything is good as new. In other news, I just downloaded the Curse Client and trying it out, as other said, WoWmatrix was a lot better and I do have to agree. It had more addons and stuff. But, atleast this way I'm sure my addons won't be broken or leached from creaters and other sites. I just hope Curse can get a wider variety of selections for addons and get some of the good addons back like SSpvp. ;)

Anyways, just rambling now, but I hope you all understand and see the problems. If you have had the same problems, you're not the only one, do what I did and it will work fine.

-Tmage