In case you haven't heard about this, you can read about what happened here.

It's shameful that Curse and WOWInterface should be forced to band together AGAINST WOWMatrix instead of trying to broker a partnership with WOWMatrix's developers. Curse has always stood as a unifying force in the WOW community – I hate to see them devolve into a nasty, divisive entity that puts its own agenda above that of the WOW community.

WOWMatrix has the best Addon-updater out there. Curse is the best resource for hosting addons. Don't make us choose – work TOGETHER.

/agree

It was posted here on Curse and WoWinterface yesterday.

Curse and WoWInterface working together to help protect our authors and other site-users

It is a shame. Since most of us are so dependant on our addons, and manually updating each one keeps us out of the game longer, makes me think twice about using addons at all anymore.

Stop whining and write your own updaters. The Curse Client works just as good as WoWM, and there is currently a new updater in the works that will be extensible and compatible with all sites, according to the Bliz forums.

WoWM is and always will be a huge pile of pig dung.

Agree, wowmatrix is a pile of dung. I can set my prefered release installs with curse, and it doesn't install updates that doesn't exist. I especially love the fact that i can shop around at the curse site and read detailed descriptions before i just click the 'iwin' install button of pure love <3

Incredible... /clap ...

Your idea to stop people "whining" is to sit down and write their own programs. Not everyone is a programmer (and do not make assumptions about my programming skills, you have no idea what I do and don't know), and the truth of the matter, is that WowMatrix is better than the Curse Client. Not because I say so, but because you can see it for yourself when you run the two programs. Try it, and you'll see why everyone hates CC when shown WM. CC is still, after all its updates, is unable to do the simplest thing: scan my Addons folder properly instead of "remembering" what I previously installed. This leads to so many missing modules, addons being updated in the wrong folder.

I used CC for two months and I was going crazy with the amount of time I had to manually fix things being broken. Being the main tank for my guild, this was not acceptable. Back in the day when Omen versions where crucial (not having the same version could lead to Omen crashing, DPS getting the wrong threat shown, etc), when CC would mess up just that addon, suddenly I have been burdened with an extra thing to do. I got fed up, searched on Google for an alternative, and Wowmatrix has saved my life. My total addons plus modules exceed 120, so I should have to manually update all these because CC can't do what it's supposed to, with everything from its own site? Brilliant...

There are many people that say incredibly idiotic things such as "you can't trust software to get everything right!" or "just unrar the file n00b". Really? Had I looked at my manager and said "oh the database didn't automatically update today because I wrote bad software. How about you just grab that 2GB USB drive and copy the file to the database. Oh, and I have an update coming, soon, maybe next year", I don't think I'd still have a damn job.

Curse, maybe you should invest more time actually developing your own software instead of wasting it on finding methods to block the competition that is better than you. If your "block WowMatrix" announcement came with another stating that CC latest update would now "pwn WowMatrix", maybe I would have listened. I can understand, to a point, about the revenue issue. If you want to protect that revenue, build a better updater and then "maybe" people would not care about WowMatrix. Also, the moral issue has been thrown around about WowMatrix many times. All I'll I say on that front: doesn't WoWDB.com look a bit similiar to wowhead.com, Curse? Fine to "borrow assets" yourselves, I take it, but when someone does it to you, you throw a tantrum?

Here's a nice little tidbit to add, I originally stopped using the CC because I have mods from other sites, that WM would keep updated for me.  I actually ran CC and WM side by side for a while, and when I would update with CC, and then WM would tell me that the addon was still out of date, I uninstalled CC from my computer. Now today, after WM being shut down, as temporary as i'm sure it is. I manually updated a few mods directly from curse. Then decided after also reading some posts on WI, that I would go ahead and try CC again... Awful damn funny that after installing, I get a message that says i've recently used WM, and they move files around etc... but the damned CC updater can't identify mods that I had just updated a short time ago, BY DIRECTLY DOWNLOADING THE .ZIP FROM CURSE!!! CC is broken and it's crap, can't put it any more succinctly, or nicely.

That being said, I do understand the issues curse and WI have with WM, it hurts bandwidth, and can appear as a dos attack, blah blah... But here's what both sites have now, users pissed off because the one program that did what they wanted, ie. quickly, easily, and reliably updated their addons, has been shutdown by you. I would happily use your own updater, if it worked... But here I am, having to *** around with an inferior product, defeating the whole purpose of what an updater client should be.. I'm not going to tell you that you should have tried to work things out with WM, or any of that, I'm just going to point out that you'll in the end lose more than you gain because people are dissatisfied with what you provide. I don't even care if I have to see some banner ads, I just want it to work, nothing more.

I agree totally the CC is the biggest piece of crap out there. it can't see all my mods and even the ones it can see it won't always update so I then have to download the addon directly from the site.

and if Curse is worried about ads they shouldn't be so many of us out there don't even see the ads due to adblocking software.

I agree That Curse and any other Add on site that is a so called legit site should be working with WoW Matrix, to maximize us the players experience, After all if we did'nt want or need to use your sites, Including WM they would'nt exsist. There is Obviously some disagreement between WM and curse and some other add on sites. So

instead of trying to Demonize each other try to make each other better, And If U cant do that then U better be able to make a better Product. Which at this time IMO CC does'nt even come close to the ease and accuracy of WM, Which is why I use WM, IT'S Better. So when CC Becomes Better than WM, I will Use it, Till then I would use my time and energy to do that, Not cut off WM, Cause all thats gonna do is screw us the players and will not make us look at Curse or WoWInterface in a good light. And Things will just go down hill form there.

At the least, Curse and WoWInterface could have had working versions of addon-updaters out before they pulled the plug on WoWMatrix. What bastards they are to pull **** like this on patch day. Good luck getting any add revenue from me. WoWMatrix was the best addon-updater available.

Here is the issue from both sides:

Addon user: "WoWMatrix is awesome, I can download all of my addons no matter where they are hosted all from one application"

Addon developer: "WoWMatrix sucks the big one, they just come in and steal my addon from the site that I chose to host it on without my permission and without giving me credit or a link to my homepage"

Now it is up to you to choose who has the greater voice. The addon developer who spends hours and hours to develop, debug, release, and maintain an addon or the user who just wants to use some anonymous downloader to grab that addon and play the game. I can see both sides and in the end I choose to support the developer since it only takes a few minutes to visit a site, like Curse.com, to download the latest version of an addon.

Don't know how long its been since you've used WoWMatrix but there have been links directly to the addon on the hosted website for many months. I have 2 accounts and run over 220 different addons because I have one toon of each class. Do you have any idea how long it takes to search for, download, and manually update 200+ addons from many different sites?

WoW Matrix supports gold spammers, and that makes it hard to advocate them.

Instead of posting random reasons why WM isn't good, why not spend that time making sure someone is fixing your addon-updater to the point where it is at least usable?

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Originally Posted by Prodigal

WoW Matrix supports gold spammers, and that makes it hard to advocate them.

 

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Q. Why do you display gold seller ads? I hate gold sellers.

A. We do not display (and have never displayed) gold seller ads, nor do we recommend buying gold from gold sellers, as this violates Blizzard's terms and is generally frowned upon. The ads we display have nothing to do with gold sellers whatsoever.

No they don't. The text ads shown on the site are for guides that show you how to farm your own gold. Get it right.

Losing WOWMatrix really sucks. WOWMatrix if you are listening please host the addons yourself and come up with some ad scheme to recoup your bandwidth expenses.

 ....and I then come to download the curse downloader...and get (security warnings...unverified certs) and two tracking cookie warnings from my anti-virus. Come on guys!!

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Originally Posted by Stevenmi1000

 ....and I then come to download the curse downloader...and get (security warnings...unverified certs) and two tracking cookie warnings from my anti-virus. Come on guys!!

 

 

Welcome to curse client. I used wowmatrix and cc side by side for awhile, but there was no comparison. Curse client liked to start with windows by default. Really guys? C'mon! It is buggy. It installs outdated versions of addons, and won't even keep track of ones not found on the curse website. Has trouble with a lot of addons hosted at curse, too.

Really screwed the pooch here as far as I'm concerned.

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Originally Posted by psbaker

Instead of posting random reasons why WM isn't good, why not spend that time making sure someone is fixing your addon-updater to the point where it is at least usable?

I know there have been reports of weird or unwanted behaviour in the CC, but for most people it works just fine. I said most people. I won't belittle anyone by saying "it works, but you don't" because that solves nothing, and I know the Curse staff takes problems with the Client seriously. Have you noticed how many updates to the CC there have been in the last couple of months? Lots, which tells me the program is still very much in active development.

But flat out saying that it does not work in any way, shape, or form, as  you are suggesting, is not true, either. It works fine for me, and for tens of thousands of other people. The problems you see *may* not be Curse's fault; there have been many issues with Windows Vista, whether you use addons or not. And the CC for Mac is a whole new animal, bearing no resemblence to the previous version.

I am just saying that if anyone posts something like "CC suxxors, don't work" then I am not inclined to believe you. But I will try to help you.

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Originally Posted by Jacemora

Losing WOWMatrix really sucks. WOWMatrix if you are listening please host the addons yourself and come up with some ad scheme to recoup your bandwidth expenses.

This most likely will not happen because the addon authors themselves would have to upload their work to WoWMatrix's site otherwise their still in the situation they are right now by not following copyrights and redistributing without the author's consent.

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Originally Posted by Stevenmi1000

....and I then come to download the curse downloader...and get (security warnings...unverified certs) and two tracking cookie warnings from my anti-virus. Come on guys!!

Do your research. 

1. Unverified Certs.
2. Tracking Cookies

As far as "do your research" goes, why is everyone missing the fact that WowMatrix actually has links to all the wow.curse.com addon pages? I use them all the time to get more info about the addons.

It seems to me that no matter what WowMatrix does, there will always be a Curse developer that moans, seeing as WM is incredibly better than CC.

And for those that will not offer help because people may say "CC sux0rz" what about us that say "CC sux0rz because of..."? We are not allowed to speak the truth, that CC is inadequate for anyone that uses more than one addon?

I concur wholeheartedly!  WM is soooo user friendly.  I have never been wholly comfortable with either CC or WI. I am terribly disappointed - not just that this will make updating my own addons more of a pain, but that Curse and WowInterface would choose this path at the expense of their users.  They have failed to realize that the three sites actually complement each other.

Honestly, I think this was just a business decision.  Curse is coming out with Curse Premium which, if I understand my popup correctly when installing, "allows for faster downloads".  I expect that Curse will start throttling downloads to non-Premium users and require subscriptions in order to allow for the same downloads that you can currently get now.  WOWMatrix is going to hurt their business model.

http://www.curse.com/content/PremiumFAQ.aspx

I will not use either CC or WI and if necessary will go back to maintaining my addons manually.  I did a lot of agonizing before trusting WM just to be as certain as I could that it was not a key logger and did not collect any data.  The first red flag for me about CC was that it collected data and sent it to one or more sites.  I go to Curse.com frequently to research addons and that will probably not change.  I will NEVER support their sponsers or products or participate in anything they claim makes my gaming experience better.  Because of thier attitude and actions it will be diffcult for me to trust anything they do or say.  Bullies tend to get theirs in the end and I can only hope that holds true here.

For those that say the developers suffer when I use WM I say by using their freely available apps I recommend any that are worthwhile, support some financially, and villify those that suck.  If an app is worthwhile then spread the word.  If not then spread the warning.  But I won't support an outfit that uses it's overwhelming might to crush a better product to eliminate the competition.  Just think Microsoft and all the great companies and products they rolled over or bought or destroyed.  And what do you have left?  Bloated, overpriced, poorly designed software that millions are forced to use.  Everyone enjoying Vista?  Well CC may not be Microsoft but they sure like to act like it.

Someone said a few posts that what if the CC suxors because... well then, good, you have a reason, and let's address that. I'm all for helping the Curse guys improve; long before I became a moderator (which, for the record, was just a couple of weeks ago - if any of you are curious, you can see how long I've been a member of Curse) I came to these boards and pointed out where Curse could improve, or posted answers to questions.

I want to help the community, and if in my new capacity as a Curse forum moderator, that means telling Curse how to improve, then so be it. Of course, you guys do the same thing, just without the blue border around your avatar. And that's just fine with me.

My point was above, and still is in this follow up post, that if you offer critism, then post something constructive, and not just "XYZ sucks!" and we will all be a happier WoW playing community.

Many posts in this thread have stated emphatically some of the reasons they dislike CC and WI.  Why do you single out a comment that simply suits your position?  How many of the posts complain the updates are incomplete or incorrect for installed addons when using CC?  How many state how much easier WM is to use?  There was even one about CC being flagged as a threat by anti virus software.

As for me, I have explained my objections in a previous thread.  Although mine are more esoteric with regards to overt actions being taken by colluding companies against software that works well I still would not use CC based on other peoples experiences and the fact it collects and reports data to other sites.  The reporting function can not be disabled from what I have read.  If you were not a flunky for this outfit and you read the posts would you use the software, honestly?  Especially if you used other software you trusted and were happy with.

Maybe if we spam the forums about WoWMatrix enough, it'll really annoy Curse, provoke the makers of WoWMatrix to create their own database and keep their client... and put Curse to shame... Curse can't handle that they were 1-upped by a more innovate, smarter, design... Free enterprise, bitches... Deal with it you whiny little turds at Curse...

Boohoo... no one see your ads... no one cares about your ads, and the vendors who pay you to put them on this site, are just as stupid as you are. Anyone who plays WoW or any other MMORPG has enough sense to know that those ads are worthless and go nowhere but to scams and pointless ripoffs.

On second thought, maybe we should rally the advertisers to advertise on WoWMatrix more, and pull them from Curse...

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Originally Posted by psbaker

Instead of posting random reasons why WM isn't good, why not spend that time making sure someone is fixing your addon-updater to the point where it is at least usable?

I know there have been reports of weird or unwanted behaviour in the CC, but for most people it works just fine. I said most people. I won't belittle anyone by saying "it works, but you don't" because that solves nothing, and I know the Curse staff takes problems with the Client seriously. Have you noticed how many updates to the CC there have been in the last couple of months? Lots, which tells me the program is still very much in active development.

But flat out saying that it does not work in any way, shape, or form, as  you are suggesting, is not true, either. It works fine for me, and for tens of thousands of other people. The problems you see *may* not be Curse's fault; there have been many issues with Windows Vista, whether you use addons or not. And the CC for Mac is a whole new animal, bearing no resemblence to the previous version.

I am just saying that if anyone posts something like "CC suxxors, don't work" then I am not inclined to believe you. But I will try to help you.

It does not work at all on a Mac. It will not even open. And yes I am using an Intel Mac with OS 10.4.11.

And like I stated in a previous post, at least you could have a working version before you pulled the plug on WM.

Yeah, pulling this crap on patch day is just tastless.  Way to become public enemy #1 curse...

What a load of crap.  I use a mac.  CC sucks on a mac.  I have multiple accounts and use 100+ addons.  Try managing that by hand!  Now, patch day & I am trying to download a few addon updates and guess what - the curse site is nice & fast loading, but actually downloading the addons is slow as hell.  Pitbull - 630kb, 58 minutes left.  HealBot - 2.5MB, 1hr30m left.  What a joke!  Who is sucking all the bandwidth now?  I see they are using it to have a pretty site to look at, but as usual functionality is lacking.

What I want is a simple interface to download and manage my addons that .. drumroll .. works!  As a user I don't honestly care who it comes from, as long as it works.  

Even though I used wowmatrix, I still visited curse & other addon sites directly to find out about functionality, verify versions etc.  wowmatrix just gave me what I wanted - simple & easy to use (1 button click!) addon manager.

After further research, I abstain from comment. As all sides in this dispute are seen in poor light in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by grramps

After further research, I abstain from comment. As all sides in this dispute are seen in poor light in my opinion.

That's the smartest thing I've read yet. Yes, smarter than anything even we Curse-types have said. Well done, Grramps, well done!

And no, I am not being sarcastic. I really think you got it square.

this is nothing but a troll to drum up support for wow matrix, wow matrix steals curse bandwidth that curse does not get profit from and has on countless occasions had out of date addons on there system, multiple times have i seen someone complain about an addon having an issue and when the author tells them to update because the issue was fixed versions ago, the complainer says they have the most up to date addon from WM. authors have also for months now been complaining that WM will not remove there mod from the system after countless requests. did you know that wowmatrix is the reason you cant realy download mods from wowace now, wowmatrix made it to expencive for them to offer that feature.

so you know what, I don't care that you used wowmatrix, I'm happy that curse and wowinterface have taken steps to protect there profit and kept the authors interests in mind, and i also don't care if you cant write your own mod, mod are a privilege not a right so get over it or go cry in a corner. things go downhill when a group like WM strips a site like curse and curse cant pay the bandwith bill at the end ofthe month, then where are you going to get your mods from?

but realy i think this post is all for not, because i got a good fealing your actualy people who work with wowmatrix attempting to drum up support for it, and negative PR for cure/wowinterface, well FYI no one cares about wowmatrix.

ive been using addons since i started wow ....and i can say that wen i hunted for addons i came across CC and was completely turned off by the crappy download speeds and manual downloading and storing...wowmatrix was like GOD did everything i needed it to do single click updater and easy to find addons!

the fact that curse and WI has pulled this ******* crap on patch day shows your lack of respect for the wow community and i made an account purely to say **** you instead of taking the efforts to screw over matrix how about using that energy to improve your own site and uploaders (retards) i love how your mods and staff love quoting things that make you look good rather than addressing the common problem the majority of ppl post about on this forum.

anyway LOL@YOU probs lose a **** load over this **** up

..!.. (>.<)

This is the stupidest thing you could have ever done. Wowmatrix is the only addon manager that works under Linux and now I must start managing them manually. At least provide an alternative that would be fraction of the goodness of wowmatrix. Currently you just ask people to statisfy with far inferior application to statisfy their needs.

Yes, I understand you don't like that wowmatrix is getting the add revenue instead of you but was it really impossible to make a deal to share it? It would even take the burden of developing your own manager off from your shoulders and you would have gotten a perfectly working manager that works on pretty much any platform out there.

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Originally Posted by DWSR

Stop whining and write your own updaters.

youre advocating that we steal bandwidth from curse by writing our own updater. hypocrite much?

Curse should develop a way that others could use to write clients. It's not too hard* to provide a way to search and download mods while also displaying the adds Curse wants to show. Instead of making a half-decent interface to their page that would actually work they choose to screw everyone instead.

*) I can come up with a couple of solutions on the top of my head right now. I've been working as programmer for around 5 years, ~15 as hobby-programmer. I've developed a few bigger and smaller client-server applications, including fat-client ones. All it takes is a bit of time to make something work for Curse. It's not impossible and would be much better than the awfulness Curse client is atm.

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Originally Posted by hohoukn

Curse should develop a way that others could use to write clients. It's not too hard* to provide a way to search and download mods while also displaying the adds Curse wants to show. Instead of making a half-decent interface to their page that would actually work they choose to screw everyone instead.

curse cant, their involvement in any multi-site downloader would be hypocrisy.  theyve taken the stand that WM is stealing their bandwidth, so therefore any client not from the source ite is also stealing, its an invalid argument but its the one they chose for emotional impact, they now have to live with it.

it's too bad actually, an open source, ad free, multi-site updater already existed, and worked rather well), unfortunately it's now collatoral damage because of the changes they made to combat WM.

I wasn't talking about providing a way to download stuff from other sites, being able to support their own would be good enough. Who knows, maybe if they think of a decent enough protocol for providing the interface to programmers other sites might start supporting their application aswell.