In case you haven't heard about this, you can read about what happened here.

It's shameful that Curse and WOWInterface should be forced to band together AGAINST WOWMatrix instead of trying to broker a partnership with WOWMatrix's developers. Curse has always stood as a unifying force in the WOW community – I hate to see them devolve into a nasty, divisive entity that puts its own agenda above that of the WOW community.

WOWMatrix has the best Addon-updater out there. Curse is the best resource for hosting addons. Don't make us choose – work TOGETHER.

/agree

It was posted here on Curse and WoWinterface yesterday.

Curse and WoWInterface working together to help protect our authors and other site-users

It is a shame. Since most of us are so dependant on our addons, and manually updating each one keeps us out of the game longer, makes me think twice about using addons at all anymore.

Stop whining and write your own updaters. The Curse Client works just as good as WoWM, and there is currently a new updater in the works that will be extensible and compatible with all sites, according to the Bliz forums.

WoWM is and always will be a huge pile of pig dung.

Agree, wowmatrix is a pile of dung. I can set my prefered release installs with curse, and it doesn't install updates that doesn't exist. I especially love the fact that i can shop around at the curse site and read detailed descriptions before i just click the 'iwin' install button of pure love <3

Incredible... /clap ...

Your idea to stop people "whining" is to sit down and write their own programs. Not everyone is a programmer (and do not make assumptions about my programming skills, you have no idea what I do and don't know), and the truth of the matter, is that WowMatrix is better than the Curse Client. Not because I say so, but because you can see it for yourself when you run the two programs. Try it, and you'll see why everyone hates CC when shown WM. CC is still, after all its updates, is unable to do the simplest thing: scan my Addons folder properly instead of "remembering" what I previously installed. This leads to so many missing modules, addons being updated in the wrong folder.

I used CC for two months and I was going crazy with the amount of time I had to manually fix things being broken. Being the main tank for my guild, this was not acceptable. Back in the day when Omen versions where crucial (not having the same version could lead to Omen crashing, DPS getting the wrong threat shown, etc), when CC would mess up just that addon, suddenly I have been burdened with an extra thing to do. I got fed up, searched on Google for an alternative, and Wowmatrix has saved my life. My total addons plus modules exceed 120, so I should have to manually update all these because CC can't do what it's supposed to, with everything from its own site? Brilliant...

There are many people that say incredibly idiotic things such as "you can't trust software to get everything right!" or "just unrar the file n00b". Really? Had I looked at my manager and said "oh the database didn't automatically update today because I wrote bad software. How about you just grab that 2GB USB drive and copy the file to the database. Oh, and I have an update coming, soon, maybe next year", I don't think I'd still have a damn job.

Curse, maybe you should invest more time actually developing your own software instead of wasting it on finding methods to block the competition that is better than you. If your "block WowMatrix" announcement came with another stating that CC latest update would now "pwn WowMatrix", maybe I would have listened. I can understand, to a point, about the revenue issue. If you want to protect that revenue, build a better updater and then "maybe" people would not care about WowMatrix. Also, the moral issue has been thrown around about WowMatrix many times. All I'll I say on that front: doesn't WoWDB.com look a bit similiar to wowhead.com, Curse? Fine to "borrow assets" yourselves, I take it, but when someone does it to you, you throw a tantrum?

Here's a nice little tidbit to add, I originally stopped using the CC because I have mods from other sites, that WM would keep updated for me.  I actually ran CC and WM side by side for a while, and when I would update with CC, and then WM would tell me that the addon was still out of date, I uninstalled CC from my computer. Now today, after WM being shut down, as temporary as i'm sure it is. I manually updated a few mods directly from curse. Then decided after also reading some posts on WI, that I would go ahead and try CC again... Awful damn funny that after installing, I get a message that says i've recently used WM, and they move files around etc... but the damned CC updater can't identify mods that I had just updated a short time ago, BY DIRECTLY DOWNLOADING THE .ZIP FROM CURSE!!! CC is broken and it's crap, can't put it any more succinctly, or nicely.

That being said, I do understand the issues curse and WI have with WM, it hurts bandwidth, and can appear as a dos attack, blah blah... But here's what both sites have now, users pissed off because the one program that did what they wanted, ie. quickly, easily, and reliably updated their addons, has been shutdown by you. I would happily use your own updater, if it worked... But here I am, having to *** around with an inferior product, defeating the whole purpose of what an updater client should be.. I'm not going to tell you that you should have tried to work things out with WM, or any of that, I'm just going to point out that you'll in the end lose more than you gain because people are dissatisfied with what you provide. I don't even care if I have to see some banner ads, I just want it to work, nothing more.

I agree totally the CC is the biggest piece of crap out there. it can't see all my mods and even the ones it can see it won't always update so I then have to download the addon directly from the site.

and if Curse is worried about ads they shouldn't be so many of us out there don't even see the ads due to adblocking software.

I agree That Curse and any other Add on site that is a so called legit site should be working with WoW Matrix, to maximize us the players experience, After all if we did'nt want or need to use your sites, Including WM they would'nt exsist. There is Obviously some disagreement between WM and curse and some other add on sites. So

instead of trying to Demonize each other try to make each other better, And If U cant do that then U better be able to make a better Product. Which at this time IMO CC does'nt even come close to the ease and accuracy of WM, Which is why I use WM, IT'S Better. So when CC Becomes Better than WM, I will Use it, Till then I would use my time and energy to do that, Not cut off WM, Cause all thats gonna do is screw us the players and will not make us look at Curse or WoWInterface in a good light. And Things will just go down hill form there.

At the least, Curse and WoWInterface could have had working versions of addon-updaters out before they pulled the plug on WoWMatrix. What bastards they are to pull **** like this on patch day. Good luck getting any add revenue from me. WoWMatrix was the best addon-updater available.

Here is the issue from both sides:

Addon user: "WoWMatrix is awesome, I can download all of my addons no matter where they are hosted all from one application"

Addon developer: "WoWMatrix sucks the big one, they just come in and steal my addon from the site that I chose to host it on without my permission and without giving me credit or a link to my homepage"

Now it is up to you to choose who has the greater voice. The addon developer who spends hours and hours to develop, debug, release, and maintain an addon or the user who just wants to use some anonymous downloader to grab that addon and play the game. I can see both sides and in the end I choose to support the developer since it only takes a few minutes to visit a site, like Curse.com, to download the latest version of an addon.

Don't know how long its been since you've used WoWMatrix but there have been links directly to the addon on the hosted website for many months. I have 2 accounts and run over 220 different addons because I have one toon of each class. Do you have any idea how long it takes to search for, download, and manually update 200+ addons from many different sites?

WoW Matrix supports gold spammers, and that makes it hard to advocate them.

Instead of posting random reasons why WM isn't good, why not spend that time making sure someone is fixing your addon-updater to the point where it is at least usable?

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Originally Posted by Prodigal

WoW Matrix supports gold spammers, and that makes it hard to advocate them.

 

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Q. Why do you display gold seller ads? I hate gold sellers.

A. We do not display (and have never displayed) gold seller ads, nor do we recommend buying gold from gold sellers, as this violates Blizzard's terms and is generally frowned upon. The ads we display have nothing to do with gold sellers whatsoever.

No they don't. The text ads shown on the site are for guides that show you how to farm your own gold. Get it right.

Losing WOWMatrix really sucks. WOWMatrix if you are listening please host the addons yourself and come up with some ad scheme to recoup your bandwidth expenses.

 ....and I then come to download the curse downloader...and get (security warnings...unverified certs) and two tracking cookie warnings from my anti-virus. Come on guys!!

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Originally Posted by Stevenmi1000

 ....and I then come to download the curse downloader...and get (security warnings...unverified certs) and two tracking cookie warnings from my anti-virus. Come on guys!!

 

 

Welcome to curse client. I used wowmatrix and cc side by side for awhile, but there was no comparison. Curse client liked to start with windows by default. Really guys? C'mon! It is buggy. It installs outdated versions of addons, and won't even keep track of ones not found on the curse website. Has trouble with a lot of addons hosted at curse, too.

Really screwed the pooch here as far as I'm concerned.

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Originally Posted by psbaker

Instead of posting random reasons why WM isn't good, why not spend that time making sure someone is fixing your addon-updater to the point where it is at least usable?

I know there have been reports of weird or unwanted behaviour in the CC, but for most people it works just fine. I said most people. I won't belittle anyone by saying "it works, but you don't" because that solves nothing, and I know the Curse staff takes problems with the Client seriously. Have you noticed how many updates to the CC there have been in the last couple of months? Lots, which tells me the program is still very much in active development.

But flat out saying that it does not work in any way, shape, or form, as  you are suggesting, is not true, either. It works fine for me, and for tens of thousands of other people. The problems you see *may* not be Curse's fault; there have been many issues with Windows Vista, whether you use addons or not. And the CC for Mac is a whole new animal, bearing no resemblence to the previous version.

I am just saying that if anyone posts something like "CC suxxors, don't work" then I am not inclined to believe you. But I will try to help you.