I have to agree wholeheartedly with grramps. But, I will also have to denote to the Mac users who have posted that the Curse Client does not work at all, that it is only available to Leopard. Those of us using 10.4 are out of luck in this respect unless Curse makes a compatible version.

It is ******* hilarious to see, how fast people think they have a right for things they get for free.

WoWMatrix uses Curses/WOWis server/bandwaidth without any permission. Curse/WoWI can do whatever they like with their site.

Addiotionally WoWMatrix distributed the addons without consent from the addon developers.

You whine about the 5 minutes it takes to manually update you addons/download the CC. But some of the addon authors work 20 hors per week and more on their addons and WoWMatrix takes the developed software without their consent and distributes it.

In the end, I can only applaud Curse for its decision for the developers and against the majority.

Nice Job i have switch to the Curse Client because they band Wowmantrix and the hero Curse Client found only 2 from my 90 addons. Wowmatirx has alway found all my addons and updates it under 1 minute that was the great thing on it. I don't understand what you guys have with the bandwaidth problem you should not run wowmatrix and wow at the same time.

Why don't konw the Curse Client the addons on the Curse site it´s look stupid.

I want Wowmatrix back! This works very fine for me.

Here's my list of WoW AddOns.

• !Swatter
• Ace2
• Ace3
• AckisRecipeList
• ACP
• AltClickToAddItem
• ArkInventory
• Atlas
• AtlasLoot
• AtlasLootFu
• AtlasQuest
• Auc-Advanced
• AuctionMaster
• BeanCounter
• Bejeweled
• BigWigs
• BigWigs_Extras
• BigWigs_Naxxramas
• BigWigs_Northrend
• BigWigs_Plugins
• BigWigs_Ulduar
• BonusScanner
• Broker_BonusScanner
• Btex
• Carbonite
• CarboniteNodes
• CarboniteTransfer
• ChatMOD
• ClassTimer
• Clique
• DBM-Battlegrounds
• DBM-ChamberOfAspects
• DBM-Core
• DBM-EyeOfEternity
• DBM-GUI
• DBM-Naxx
• DBM-Party-WotLK
• Dominos
• Enchantrix
• Enchantrix-Barker
• EnhTooltip
• EquipCompare
• FramesResized
• FuBar
• FuBar_GuildFu
• GuildCraft
• GuildCraft_Browser
• Informant
• ItemRack
• ItemRackOptions
• LibBabble-Zone-3.0
• LinkWrangler
• LinkWranglerAtlasLoot
• LinkWranglerCompanion
• MoveAnything
• Niagara
• Overachiever
• Overachiever_Tabs
• Overachiever_Trade
• Postal
• ProfMax
• RatingBuster
• Recount
• RuneWatch
• SlideBar
• Stubby
• Titan
• TitanAmmo
• TitanBag
• TitanClock
• TitanCoords
• TitanGoldTracker
• TitanGuild
• TitanItemBonuses
• TitanLootType
• TitanPerformance
• TitanRegen
• TitanRepair
• TitanVolume
• TitanXP
• VendorBait
• WIM
• XLoot
• XLootMonitor

An the CC has only found

• Dominos
• Clique

I agree, Its not like Wow Matrix kept people from coming to Curse... I usually come here to read up on the mod then just install it on WM..

To my understanding this completely screws Mac users... I used to come here and download and go into my file and update manually every time, but would only do it if I swaw an error in game... why did you have to screw a good thing? Why can't you buy thier UI and make it yours or something? This was a bad business imo, I know a lot of gamers are not happy about this, many guild forums have their own threads on this discussion...

Just read the posting on the CC Beta Client... where is the link? Why is it so hard to find?!?!? I'll try it before QQ'ing more.

><Working as expected?

And WM wasn't stealing Bandwidth from Curse, Curse just din't like that people were coming to their site less and not using their Client... WM just managed add-ons so either we come here and download it manually or WM grabs it for us? By what your saying WM is stealing... so if we write our own, that is stealing? and if manuelly download we are using your bandwidth too, so that is stealing?

Its not like you guys were being robbed from WM or that they were even making money off it, WM was FREE... wtf if it ain;t broke don't try and fix it... Or atleast make a Client that works half as well as WM?!?!?!?!?

IMO WOWace had the best updater untill they teamed with curse. I never liked the Curce downlaoder so once they teamed i went to WOWM. S o now i'm back to the Curse downloader and still hating it. I'm just gonna wait intill WOWInterface comes out with thiers since i use several mods from thier site. Honestly with all this fighting about bandwidth and crap the best solution for Blizzard should be just integrating all the best mods into the game and discontinuing all 3rd party mods. this has all become a real PITA and i honestly hope Blizz does something about it.

It's strictly financial. By using Wowmatrix instead of going manually to curse, Curse misses out on all the ad revenue from the adds that are always up on their site.

Plus not to mention that WoWmatrix was easier, less buggy, identified the addons, and in general was a better program than curse client - took me ten minutes just to find the link to CC. Trying it now - I'm not completely impressed with the program, but it appears with recent improvements, CC is a viable but not perfect alternative to wowmatrix

 Also - to those who says it takes only a few minutes to update an addon...let's do some math. Say 4 minutes an addon (and that's being generous and saying you go directly to the page.) multiplied by 200 addons. = 800 minutes to update your addons. 14-15 hours to update? And people are wondering why there's so much outcry over this? If you used just about any form of non-standard UI, you have at least 50+ mods. It would have been far better for them to broker a deal, put out one client that works, than to pull this circus act.

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Originally Posted by seeker821

It's strictly financial. By using Wowmatrix instead of going manually to curse, Curse misses out on all the ad revenue from the adds that are always up on their site.

I still question their thoughts on this.  I (and many others) still came to the site to review the addon, check the changes notes, read the comments, etc.  The only "financial" piece of the puzzle was WM using their bandwidth by allowing the updates to download directly. 

Again, I wish the solution would have been to block the downloads, forcing users of WM to follow the links to the pages here to get the addons, rather than breaking WM.  It would have been a win/win for curse and WoWI.

It astounds me that some people can't see how this works and why Curse/WOWI had to do something. I'll try to explain it;

There's this thing called bandwidth that Curse and WOWI have to pay for every month. Bandwidth is used whenever anyone comes to those sites and downloads an addon.  Let's say that you download Pitbull from Curse, it costs Curse $1.00 for you to download Pitbull because of the bandwidth that you're using. Now, if you come directly to Curse to download Pitbull the cost of the bandwidth usage is mitigated by the ads that are on the download pages. The advertisers probably pay Curse $1.02 for you hitting those pages with your browser. So, Curse makes a whopping two cents which probably has to go to other overhead.

Now, and here's the crucial point, if you used WoW Matrix to download Pitbull you are not going to Curse.com, they are not generating any ad revenue from you downloading Pitbull. Instead, Curse has LOST $1.00 that they have to pay their provider. So, imagine what happens on Patch day; 50,000 people fire up WoW Matrix and get Pitbull downloaded without ever going anywhere near Curse.com. No ad revenue is generated from those 50,000 downloads, instead Curse.com is in the hole $50,000.  Curse.com and WOWI are not run by billionaires who get warm feelings from throwing money away so all the little WoW players can get their addons, they have to pay their service providers every month for the bandwidth that is being used. If they can't pay that monthly, these web sites will go down and there will  be no central repositories for addons. What happens then? Well, guess what, WoW Matrix won't have anywhere to pull the addons from and it becomes a useless piece of software.

The above explanation is very, very basic and the monetary amounts I used are just there to make it easier to grasp for people, but it's really at the core of why Curse and WOWI did what they did.

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Originally Posted by Carnivean

It is ******* hilarious to see, how fast people think they have a right for things they get for free.

 

WoWMatrix uses Curses/WOWis server/bandwaidth without any permission. Curse/WoWI can do whatever they like with their site.

Addiotionally WoWMatrix distributed the addons without consent from the addon developers.

You whine about the 5 minutes it takes to manually update you addons/download the CC. But some of the addon authors work 20 hors per week and more on their addons and WoWMatrix takes the developed software without their consent and distributes it.

 

In the end, I can only applaud Curse for its decision for the developers and against the majority.

I can't speak for all of the addon developers but I'm pretty sure that all they really care about is a link to the site that hosts their addon and the donation button. Both which are available on WM.

And yes, I'll whine about the "5 minutes" it takes to update my addons. I guess you have 2 addons. I applaud you! Woot! Unfortunately I have 220+ and I have now spent well over 4 hours and am not 3/4 through my entire list. Not only that but dozens of mods have minor updates every week even without a patch and I will not be able to update because I can't spend 4+ hours "working" to justify play a "game".

Curse slient sucked, WowInterface wasn't worth the bother.

WowMatrix rocked and you guys did nothing to merge the two together?

If you guys (Curse) are so "Curse and WoWInterface working together to help protect our authors and other site-users." Then create a WowMatrix like program or be seen as Internetz Fail.

EDIT: OH HO HO! Its funny. I download the Curse cilent. Whats the first thing it tells me? "Oh you get this for FREE! YAH! BUT!!! We'll be launchin a premium service and this will suck again after." You guys are joke. Its all about money with you creeps.

First, lets look at what WowMatrix does. It searches your own addon folder to look at the files all of the Addons use to state what version they are creating a list. It then, goes to each of the websites checking against those versions to find updated versions. Then, it tells you which addons are updated and gives you the option to update each one at a time or all of them. Then the program goes to the file, downloads it, installs it, and then deletes the install file.

 This is not redistribution. This is just requesting data from the file server(s) to download. What WowMatrix does is not illegal. It is exactly the same as if you go and download each file on your own. First, you find out what version you have, check it with what is online. If it is new, you download it. WowMatrix just does it more efficiently.

Personally, I use Firefox with adblock. I recieve zero ad's from Curse.com and invariably because the software cancels the ad from being loaded instead of hiding it. No one gets anything out of it. I have the right not to recieve unwanted ads.

Under Fair Use rights, all addons must be offered with out cost or Blizzard will not allow that addon to be used. If people love their addons and have the means to donate. They do.

Legally speaking, all WowMatrix has to do is change the way it works so that instead of getting the file and downloading it opens a webpage to each latest file so that we can manually download the file. I would rather do this to keep easy access than use or accept Curse.com's software.

Both Curse and WowI should be ashamed of yourselves. You intended your argument for WowMatrix but what you did was slap every World of Warcraft user in the face by making this change occur in time with World of Warcraft's 3.1.0 patch. I have lost any and all respect for you and I do hope that the developers at WowMatrix consider they have legal recourse to sue. If you had acted on your own, the case might of been different. But instead you colluded to push a competitor out. That is the basis of a Monopoly.

Lastly, I would hope that you becareful you don't antagonize the user base to such a point over your own greed. Immagine what sort of damage even a third of World of Warcrafts US customers taking you to small claims would do. Small claims allowing a maximum of $10,000 for the suit. Even if they only get $5.00, if you multiply that across just a third of the over 16 million users.

Just as easily, immagine that $5.00 per person per month to be able to use WowMatrix.

Curse.com, WowInterface. The ball is in your hands. The reason people play world of warcraft is to have fun. What you did more than not was prevent people from being able to get back to having fun in an easy and timely manor. Please consider speaking with WowMatrix to come up with a superior service that can do what all of us users really want. A way to easily get back to having fun.

Whilst i understand that Curse is a business, no one can tell me that it makes sense for curse to close down a competitor when their own product is absolute... ...yeah I'm not even going to go there. At the end of the day, Curse or WoWInterface should have designed a product which actually bloody worked and fulfills the requirements that people need if they had done this, people wouldn't have gone to WM - as for the fact that Curse HAD to do something, there must have been an alternative (don't expect me to come up with an alternative.. i don't work for Curse if they wanted to resolve this situation well they would have thought of a solution but the truth is they obviously weren't bothered about the disruption it would cause). It makes no sense to close WM down when people aren't even going to go to your product because it's 1000 times worse than the one they were using before, because it simply CAN'T BE USED a lot of the time (almost all the time for Mac users like me). The majority of WM users I'm sure as well as myself will download the addons manually because of the reputation that Curse has recently made for itself. I for one will never use CC because of this PR stunt let alone because of the fact that it wont run on my mac!Whilst i understand that Curse is a business, no one can tell me that it makes sense for curse to close down a competitor when their own product is absolute... ...yeah I'm not even going to go there. At the end of the day, Curse or WoWInterface should have designed a product which actually bloody worked and fulfills the requirements that people need if they had done this, people wouldn't have gone to WM - as for the fact that Curse HAD to do something, there must have been an alternative (don't expect me to come up with an alternative.. i don't work for Curse if they wanted to resolve this situation well they would have thought of a solution but the truth is they obviously weren't bothered about the disruption it would cause). It makes no sense to close WM down when people aren't even going to go to your product because it's 1000 times worse than the one they were using before, because it simply CAN'T BE USED a lot of the time (almost all the time for Mac users like me). The majority of WM users I'm sure as well as myself will download the addons manually because of the reputation that Curse has recently made for itself. I for one will never use CC because of this PR stunt let alone because of the fact that it wont run on my mac!

i keep seeing this beleif that curse and wowiterface did nothing before taking the axe to WM, that is complete misinformation, i remember as far back as a year ago cures and WI complaining openly about WM and that WM would not work with them to have all 3 partys see gains in the end, so before all you people think again that the action was taken blindly, check your facts out.

I also get a big laugh at the people saying they are going to download there addons manual in a protest agains the curse updater.... yes becaues they are going to be upset that you will be viewing more webpages on there site and loading more adds, you did not realy think this idea all the way did you?

Firefox + Adblock = no ads + more bandwidth than the client. 

Didn't think that through all the way yourself did you?

For the many people that use Firefox and have the adblock addon installed ther are no ads downloaded or displayed.  For those that don't use Firefox you may want to try it.

If your spot on Wibbit, why is it that action wasn't taken as early on as you mentioned if it was 'such a big problem'. Besides, if they really wanted to solve the problem well (as i have already said above) they would have come up with a solution, after all, what are they actually gaining from this? a large majority of players anger of course, priceless... and it brings so many benefits... not.

I tried using Curse Client (CC) before I used Wowmatrix (WM).  CC had problems updating my mods and understanding which mods I had.  I started out trying to get CC to understand what mods I had by defining and reinstalling them directly from Curse.  Ultimately it was a constant battle to tell CC what I had and have it update my mods correctly.  Additionally the RSS feed news feature was a nuisance.  A friend suggested Wowmatrix and I tried it out.  The process using WM is alot simpler and less of a hassle.  I only run it once a week or so.  So, I uninstalled CC and have used WM ever since.

Now this.. on patch day?  So, I have to try to get my mods updated from Curse using CC, because I'm getting all these error messages in WoW.  I downloaded it and installed.  CC didn't recognize over half of my mods, and parts of my mods aren't recognized when others are?  That's weird.  They're not uncommon mods either.  Auctioneer, Altasloot, Cartographer, Lightheaded, TomTom, WIM, etc.  CC doesn't recognize these mods?  How is that even possible?  So, I spent about an hour trying to figure out the mess by deleteing the mods it didn't recognize and reinstalling them directly from Curse using the CC.  I think I have most of them figured out now, or it seems I do.  I'm still getting errors though. Obviously Curse doesn't handle every mod I had because I still have some on my list that are unidentified.  Why would WM have my mods correct when CC doesn't.  I thought they said WM was "stealing" the mods from Curse and WI?

Oh, wait, Lightheaded and TomTom are supported by Wowinterface, not Curse.  So, that means that I can't download a latest version of that mod because CC doesn't have it.  So, I guess I need to go to that website every time I remember to check for an update.  WI doesn't have a program to update mods?  CC doesn't interact with WI to get mod from there?  I should make a link, I suppose.  I wonder what other mods Curse doesn't support that WI does?  Does anyone have a list of mods that are supported by Wowinterface and not Curse?  That would be helpful.  It's hard to keep up with all this.

About a month ago I wanted a DoTimer for my warlock spells.  Remember I said I use WM, right?  So, I went to Curse to research on what would be a good mod for the job.  I looked and several and tested them and decided to use one that looked nice and worked well.  I did all my research on Curse.  I can't tell much from WM because they only have a written description.  Hrmm.. funny how that worked out.  I researched it on Curse and then I downloaded it using WM.  Now I get it updated regularly.  BTW, I recommend DoTimer to warlocks.  It's a really useful and well written mod.  Good job Mr. Developer!  *pats on back*  Sorry, I don't know what your name is.  Honestly, I don't care.

BTW, anyone else having a problem with WIM?  Mine was busted last night and I gotta tell ya, it really sucked because I've been spoiled by it!  It's an awesome mod to have when you're dealing with a lot of different wsps.  So, I got curious about why my WIM isn't working right, so I went to Curse and looked up WIM.  I can't ever figure out if there are problems with my mods when I'm using WM because it doesn't help with that sorta thing.  Turns out WIM has an issue with something in TomTom?  I don't know the specifics but it's right there in the comments for WIM.  Turns out you have to go to WI and get an updated version of TomTom and that should fix the problem?  We'll see.

Hey wait a minute... CC doesn't have TomTom but they have WIM?  I wonder how many other mods are on one site and not the other?  You can work together to shut down WM but not have the same mods or downloader?

Hey Curse.com, I don't care if your bandwidth is getting "stolen" by Wowmatrix.  I still come here to do research on mods.  You still get my page views.  I don't do research on mods using Wowmatrix.  Wowmatrix's client is a lot better than yours and simpler.  Want me to use your mod?  Make it better.

Hey Developers, I'm sorry, but I'm not ever gonna donate money to you, but I like your mods.  Keep up the good work!  You don't want to?  Meh, I'll just use the tools Blizzard gave me, or the 3 other mods that do the same thing.  Oh, and I don't care that JkD12 makes MurkyMod.  You wanted credit?  *hands JkD12 some credit*  There ya go buddy!  *pats on back*  MurkyMod rulez!

Hey WowInterface, your site sucks!  Can I get some more buttons and links on my screen?  I just want my mod.  I don't want to have to figure out how to read and understand the 50 things on each page.  K.I.S.S. = Keep It Simple Stupid

Hey WowMatrix, I love your program.  I hope you find a new way to provide the mods, even if you host them yourselves.

All of you, I don't want 3 different mod updaters or 97 different mod pages to update from.  I want one simple solution.  That's what Wowmatrix provided. Work together.  Figure it out.  Get it done.  Problem solved.

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