i'm complaining about it here because it is relevant to the argument that many are taking part in... besides, people who say how bad WM is are mentioning how CC is available.. so i don't see why shouldn't we incorporate that CC is not worth using on a mac or linux

I highly doubt curse would do anything about their client even if people did complain about it...1) if they really cared about Linux users they would have made it compatible with Linux 2) they would have changed the mac version by now.. you can't tell me no one has complained about the Mac version before and, ohhh... it still remains the same.

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i'm complaining about it here because it is relevant to the argument that many are taking part in...

An argument baseed mostly on hoping that making comparisons between the clients will somehow make them "right" and other people "wrong," when the truth is it does not matter who is "right." Curse.com is not under any legal obligation to support third party clients.

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Originally Posted by FSDraconis

Plinth_BWR - You need to start looking at the specific legal jargon referenced to " in-line linking ". When a website such as for instance youtube hosts a video they are the people providing the bandwidth behind it. They also allow in-line linking of their video's on other sites. The video, and the bandwidth continue to be provided by youtube but you see, access, and control said video from a forum post for instance.

FSDraconis - Thank you very much for your response. There are several issues in it that I found interesting (no sarcasm intended), but for now I'm going to stick with the "linking" issue.

You referenced YouTube, a good example I thought if with the possible difference that their files are big as opposed to small, so I headed over to their site and looked up their TOS.

As far as I can tell, they'd shut WoWMatrix down as well. Apparently they are very picky when it comes to "linking" to their site. To the extent that they've coded a special deployment packager so that you use their videos just in the way they want. Here are some excepts from their TOS:

"You agree not to distribute in any medium any part of the Website, including but not limited to User Submissions (defined below), without YouTube's prior written authorization."

As to linking a video under permited uses:

"using the Embeddable Player to show YouTube videos on an ad-enabled blog or website, provided the primary purpose of using the Embeddable Player is not to gain advertising revenue or compete with YouTube"

Full TOS here (excepts from #4): http://www.youtube.com/t/terms?hl=en_US

Just so that I'm sure that we're discussing the same thing here and that I've understood you correctly, do you agree that by the above terms a WM-like product would violate their TOS?

I believe it would.

Respectfuly.

Just to make a quick point according to WM FAQ it states the following:

Q. I am an AddOn author. How do I get my AddOn listed in WowMatrix?

A. You may contact us at any time via the Feedback Form at our website. Please include the name(s) of the AddOn(s) and the webpage URL(s) at which you normally post the latest version(s) of your AddOn(s).

In addition, we can (if you like) link to your Donations page from within the updater and on our website, and optionally, if bandwidth usage is a concern for you, host your AddOn(s) on our servers at no charge.

So Maby all we need to do is get the authors to speak with WM and then none of us will ever need to come back to curse! YAY = WIN

I understand and respect that Curse/WoWi felt the need to protect their income. Yes, stealing bandwidth is crummy. However, the reaction was unacceptable. Things were blown WAY out of proportion and I think the core of the problem wasn't the bandwidth. It was the fact that someone else was doing something better than Curse/WoWi could.

You should have:
1) Waited until it WASN'T a major patch.
2) Waited until you had a viable client that offers ALL the same benefits of WoWMatrix -- FOR FREE (Read that again, FOR FREE. I am NOT paying for something that was previously available for free)

All in all this was a greedy move. In doing so you have negatively impacted the revenue of one of the companies you supposedly support. I have canceled my subscription to WoW until one of three things happens.
1) You come out with a better client (FOR FREE, none of this paid only bull)
2) You realize the stupidity and greediness of what you have done and unblock WoW Matrix
3) WoW Matrix finds a way to work around your knee-jerk reaction.

GG
I used to respect Curse. Notice. Used to.

You canceled your subscription to?! Are you kidding me? Seriously? And you are complaining about a knee-jerk reaction? Really?

This post is for everyone who is complaining about CC and those of you upset about WM being shut down.

Seems like there are just a few general complaints regarding CC, 1) it takes more time, because you cannot 1 click update all, 2) when you switch over from WM to CC you have to go in and tell it which Addon is which, and 3) then if you try to go back to WM, WM tells you that Addons you just updated are out of date.

1) It actually doesn't take any more time, if you will note, when using WM it downloads and installs updates one at a time, just one going at a time. With CC, if you select all your Addons and click update, guess what it ques up all of them, yep, update all, and it will do download and install three, that's 3 updates at a time, not 1 3, that's three times as fast, ie faster.

2) Well, yeah, CC and WM have different protocol, because they are different programs, it thinks it know which Addon is which, but it's not sure, mainly because WM changes folder names and such, but again, just select all of them, right click, install recommended, and then 3 at a time, updated, over and done in a few seconds.

3)Now, heres the biggy for me, and the sole reason I switched from using WM, when I had both on my PC, I ran WM, updated all, ran CC, went through the appropriate steps to get CC to manage my Addons, then went back to WM, it wanted to update 9 of my Addons, I was shocked! CC missed out on 9 updates? Then I looked at the version numbers, all 9 "updates" were actually backdates, yep you heard me, backdates, WM wanted to update my Addons with outdated versions. With this big patch we just went through, I was becoming very frustrated that my Addons were not working, with one pass of CC, I had amost all of my Addons going.  The only one that isn't, is because the developer has not done an update. Now, you may say that WM would have been able to do the same, if CC had not blocked it, well, I would reply...

Instead of coming to CC's forums and bashing them and telling them how much they suck and how bad they are for protecting their bandwidth, here's an idea, go to WM and tell them to stop stealing bandwidth and to GET THEIR OWN and host the Addons themselves, then they wouldn't have to worry about CC blocking them.

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Originally Posted by flimflan

So Maby all we need to do is get the authors to speak with WM and then none of us will ever need to come back to curse! YAY = WIN

WowMatrix has already gotten around the block. I've been updating addons from WoWUI for the last 24 hours. As I type this WoWMatrix is updating XPerl.

The amount of time may remain the same. But at least with WoWM I could hit "Update All" and go do something else that needs doing. Now I am wasting time searching, cicking, clicking again, clicking again (waiting for the Curse site to load, PAINFULLY slow).

On a side note.  Would it have been better that Curse have bought out the guys behind WM?  Possibly?  But I'm guessing then we'd have a whole new arguement/pissing match, over how the 'bigger' companies/sites are destroying the 'little' ones.  It's a lose lose situation.

i just got the most depressing news about Wow Matrix!!  been away from home so got the news late and let me tell you i am soooo upset. I have used the CC beofre and found it just too complicated to update all my addons. Sooo now what to do is my qustion to answer today...  sighs cries and potus

I'm an addon developer, with four addons our there (CCFocus, TUFE, RandomSay, and ChatSubs).  I also use WoWmatrix.  Why?  Because I play on a Mac, and there is no other good, stable updater on the Mac that I've found yet.  Because WoWmatrix, being cross-site, updates a lot more of the addons I use than the Curse client would.  And because my wife and son also play WoW, and it's very, very easy for them to use, due to the one-click update.

WoWmatrix isn't stealing anything from me.  My addons are GPL-licensed, so anyone who wants to can redistribute them anyway.  They have my permission already.

Personally, I'd like to see Curse and WoWinterface start to cooperate with WoWmatrix, so we can all benefit -- WoWmatrix has a very good addon updater.  Indeed, if it were to come to a choice between putting my addons on Curse and stopping use WoWmatrix, I'd drop Curse like a hot coal.

Do you host your own addons? Nope, Curse does. Why don't you host them? Could it be that it costs money to host them? So you feel it is morally and ethically right to pass this cost on to Curse? That is what this is all about, the cost of band width. Curse pays for their band width, offers to host your addons at no cost to you, so that I can download and use them, with no cost to me, unless I choose to get the premium version of their software, which I won't because I am satisfied with the free CC. WM by passes that system by offering a free means to do what CC's premium software is all about. There for, CC looses money. If they loose enough revenue, and can no longer pay the bills, they go away, then where are you going to host your addons for free? Where would I get the addons for free?

You, and people like you, are mad that Curse finds ways to protect their bandwidth, but I'm mad that WM might just ruin the best thing going for Wow Addon developement.

Get a conscience.

Get over it.

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Originally Posted by gwaihirwindlord

You, and people like you, are mad that Curse finds ways to protect their bandwidth, but I'm mad that WM might just ruin the best thing going for Wow Addon developement.

Get a conscience.

Get over it.

Ever stop to consider the fact that either way Curse's bandwidth gets used? If you use WowMatrix or Curse's POS client, you're STILL going to use Curse's bandwidth. The only thing that changes it the front end. Nothing more. You can spam updates in Curse's client just like you can WowMatrix. What it comes down to is WM is a better client than Curse/WoWUI's and they do not like it. Rather than improve theirs and make it more desirable, they instead decide to keep their POS and try to kill WM.

Curse Client doesn't even recognize addons they host on this site. It's a huge pile of bullcrap. If they would make an updater which would eventually work, I would use it, but at the moment CC is not an option.

Curse, you are a site that tries to help out WoW players etc etc.....

So, why screw us on patch day? You could have at least done it at a better time to make it a little less inconvenient for what, the majority of WoW players?

I for one, do not want to install CC after reports I have heard about it damaging computers and people having to do full system reinstalls. I was recommended to use WOWMatrix by my guild leader and it has always worked perfectly for me.

Can't you come to some sort of agreement? It seems to be a majority vote that you guys work together in some way!

I understand that they stole your bandwidth, but thinking of yourselves over the target audience and making patch day almost impossible (seeing as your site didnt even work without WOWmatrix.. it was still bloody slow) really shows what sort of considerate site you are -.-

EDIT: oh and yes, I would never pay for something that wasnt half as good as what I had. And also think about the people playing WoW who dont actually have credit cards so can't pay for anything on the internet. Thats why they have WoW top-up cards as well as a credit card option. -.-

Again, you are missing the point. Go tell WM to host Addons.

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Originally Posted by gwaihirwindlord

Again, you are missing the point. Go tell WM to host Addons.

Um... WM DOES host addons, if the authors ask them to (or if they have a freely-distribute clause)

And... for the record... I still use WoWmatrix to update all my mods.  It's STILL easier to just click on the link to the mod homepage and check for updates there.

Oh wait, how many people who bitch about WM even bother to realize that not only does it link back to the mod's homepage, but it also credits the main author AND puts a donate button up as well?

And I wonder how many of you people who are crying foul that WM "steals bandwidth" use FireFox with ADblockplus?

If you do, you are a bloody hypocrite, just so you know.