i'm complaining about it here because it is relevant to the argument that many are taking part in... besides, people who say how bad WM is are mentioning how CC is available.. so i don't see why shouldn't we incorporate that CC is not worth using on a mac or linux

I highly doubt curse would do anything about their client even if people did complain about it...1) if they really cared about Linux users they would have made it compatible with Linux 2) they would have changed the mac version by now.. you can't tell me no one has complained about the Mac version before and, ohhh... it still remains the same.

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i'm complaining about it here because it is relevant to the argument that many are taking part in...

An argument baseed mostly on hoping that making comparisons between the clients will somehow make them "right" and other people "wrong," when the truth is it does not matter who is "right." Curse.com is not under any legal obligation to support third party clients.

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Originally Posted by FSDraconis

Plinth_BWR - You need to start looking at the specific legal jargon referenced to " in-line linking ". When a website such as for instance youtube hosts a video they are the people providing the bandwidth behind it. They also allow in-line linking of their video's on other sites. The video, and the bandwidth continue to be provided by youtube but you see, access, and control said video from a forum post for instance.

FSDraconis - Thank you very much for your response. There are several issues in it that I found interesting (no sarcasm intended), but for now I'm going to stick with the "linking" issue.

You referenced YouTube, a good example I thought if with the possible difference that their files are big as opposed to small, so I headed over to their site and looked up their TOS.

As far as I can tell, they'd shut WoWMatrix down as well. Apparently they are very picky when it comes to "linking" to their site. To the extent that they've coded a special deployment packager so that you use their videos just in the way they want. Here are some excepts from their TOS:

"You agree not to distribute in any medium any part of the Website, including but not limited to User Submissions (defined below), without YouTube's prior written authorization."

As to linking a video under permited uses:

"using the Embeddable Player to show YouTube videos on an ad-enabled blog or website, provided the primary purpose of using the Embeddable Player is not to gain advertising revenue or compete with YouTube"

Full TOS here (excepts from #4): http://www.youtube.com/t/terms?hl=en_US

Just so that I'm sure that we're discussing the same thing here and that I've understood you correctly, do you agree that by the above terms a WM-like product would violate their TOS?

I believe it would.

Respectfuly.

Just to make a quick point according to WM FAQ it states the following:

Q. I am an AddOn author. How do I get my AddOn listed in WowMatrix?

A. You may contact us at any time via the Feedback Form at our website. Please include the name(s) of the AddOn(s) and the webpage URL(s) at which you normally post the latest version(s) of your AddOn(s).

In addition, we can (if you like) link to your Donations page from within the updater and on our website, and optionally, if bandwidth usage is a concern for you, host your AddOn(s) on our servers at no charge.

So Maby all we need to do is get the authors to speak with WM and then none of us will ever need to come back to curse! YAY = WIN

I understand and respect that Curse/WoWi felt the need to protect their income. Yes, stealing bandwidth is crummy. However, the reaction was unacceptable. Things were blown WAY out of proportion and I think the core of the problem wasn't the bandwidth. It was the fact that someone else was doing something better than Curse/WoWi could.

You should have:
1) Waited until it WASN'T a major patch.
2) Waited until you had a viable client that offers ALL the same benefits of WoWMatrix -- FOR FREE (Read that again, FOR FREE. I am NOT paying for something that was previously available for free)

All in all this was a greedy move. In doing so you have negatively impacted the revenue of one of the companies you supposedly support. I have canceled my subscription to WoW until one of three things happens.
1) You come out with a better client (FOR FREE, none of this paid only bull)
2) You realize the stupidity and greediness of what you have done and unblock WoW Matrix
3) WoW Matrix finds a way to work around your knee-jerk reaction.

GG
I used to respect Curse. Notice. Used to.

You canceled your subscription to?! Are you kidding me? Seriously? And you are complaining about a knee-jerk reaction? Really?

This post is for everyone who is complaining about CC and those of you upset about WM being shut down.

Seems like there are just a few general complaints regarding CC, 1) it takes more time, because you cannot 1 click update all, 2) when you switch over from WM to CC you have to go in and tell it which Addon is which, and 3) then if you try to go back to WM, WM tells you that Addons you just updated are out of date.

1) It actually doesn't take any more time, if you will note, when using WM it downloads and installs updates one at a time, just one going at a time. With CC, if you select all your Addons and click update, guess what it ques up all of them, yep, update all, and it will do download and install three, that's 3 updates at a time, not 1 3, that's three times as fast, ie faster.

2) Well, yeah, CC and WM have different protocol, because they are different programs, it thinks it know which Addon is which, but it's not sure, mainly because WM changes folder names and such, but again, just select all of them, right click, install recommended, and then 3 at a time, updated, over and done in a few seconds.

3)Now, heres the biggy for me, and the sole reason I switched from using WM, when I had both on my PC, I ran WM, updated all, ran CC, went through the appropriate steps to get CC to manage my Addons, then went back to WM, it wanted to update 9 of my Addons, I was shocked! CC missed out on 9 updates? Then I looked at the version numbers, all 9 "updates" were actually backdates, yep you heard me, backdates, WM wanted to update my Addons with outdated versions. With this big patch we just went through, I was becoming very frustrated that my Addons were not working, with one pass of CC, I had amost all of my Addons going.  The only one that isn't, is because the developer has not done an update. Now, you may say that WM would have been able to do the same, if CC had not blocked it, well, I would reply...

Instead of coming to CC's forums and bashing them and telling them how much they suck and how bad they are for protecting their bandwidth, here's an idea, go to WM and tell them to stop stealing bandwidth and to GET THEIR OWN and host the Addons themselves, then they wouldn't have to worry about CC blocking them.

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Originally Posted by flimflan

So Maby all we need to do is get the authors to speak with WM and then none of us will ever need to come back to curse! YAY = WIN

WowMatrix has already gotten around the block. I've been updating addons from WoWUI for the last 24 hours. As I type this WoWMatrix is updating XPerl.

The amount of time may remain the same. But at least with WoWM I could hit "Update All" and go do something else that needs doing. Now I am wasting time searching, cicking, clicking again, clicking again (waiting for the Curse site to load, PAINFULLY slow).

On a side note.  Would it have been better that Curse have bought out the guys behind WM?  Possibly?  But I'm guessing then we'd have a whole new arguement/pissing match, over how the 'bigger' companies/sites are destroying the 'little' ones.  It's a lose lose situation.

i just got the most depressing news about Wow Matrix!!  been away from home so got the news late and let me tell you i am soooo upset. I have used the CC beofre and found it just too complicated to update all my addons. Sooo now what to do is my qustion to answer today...  sighs cries and potus

I'm an addon developer, with four addons our there (CCFocus, TUFE, RandomSay, and ChatSubs).  I also use WoWmatrix.  Why?  Because I play on a Mac, and there is no other good, stable updater on the Mac that I've found yet.  Because WoWmatrix, being cross-site, updates a lot more of the addons I use than the Curse client would.  And because my wife and son also play WoW, and it's very, very easy for them to use, due to the one-click update.

WoWmatrix isn't stealing anything from me.  My addons are GPL-licensed, so anyone who wants to can redistribute them anyway.  They have my permission already.

Personally, I'd like to see Curse and WoWinterface start to cooperate with WoWmatrix, so we can all benefit -- WoWmatrix has a very good addon updater.  Indeed, if it were to come to a choice between putting my addons on Curse and stopping use WoWmatrix, I'd drop Curse like a hot coal.

Do you host your own addons? Nope, Curse does. Why don't you host them? Could it be that it costs money to host them? So you feel it is morally and ethically right to pass this cost on to Curse? That is what this is all about, the cost of band width. Curse pays for their band width, offers to host your addons at no cost to you, so that I can download and use them, with no cost to me, unless I choose to get the premium version of their software, which I won't because I am satisfied with the free CC. WM by passes that system by offering a free means to do what CC's premium software is all about. There for, CC looses money. If they loose enough revenue, and can no longer pay the bills, they go away, then where are you going to host your addons for free? Where would I get the addons for free?

You, and people like you, are mad that Curse finds ways to protect their bandwidth, but I'm mad that WM might just ruin the best thing going for Wow Addon developement.

Get a conscience.

Get over it.

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Originally Posted by gwaihirwindlord

You, and people like you, are mad that Curse finds ways to protect their bandwidth, but I'm mad that WM might just ruin the best thing going for Wow Addon developement.

Get a conscience.

Get over it.

Ever stop to consider the fact that either way Curse's bandwidth gets used? If you use WowMatrix or Curse's POS client, you're STILL going to use Curse's bandwidth. The only thing that changes it the front end. Nothing more. You can spam updates in Curse's client just like you can WowMatrix. What it comes down to is WM is a better client than Curse/WoWUI's and they do not like it. Rather than improve theirs and make it more desirable, they instead decide to keep their POS and try to kill WM.

Curse Client doesn't even recognize addons they host on this site. It's a huge pile of bullcrap. If they would make an updater which would eventually work, I would use it, but at the moment CC is not an option.

Curse, you are a site that tries to help out WoW players etc etc.....

So, why screw us on patch day? You could have at least done it at a better time to make it a little less inconvenient for what, the majority of WoW players?

I for one, do not want to install CC after reports I have heard about it damaging computers and people having to do full system reinstalls. I was recommended to use WOWMatrix by my guild leader and it has always worked perfectly for me.

Can't you come to some sort of agreement? It seems to be a majority vote that you guys work together in some way!

I understand that they stole your bandwidth, but thinking of yourselves over the target audience and making patch day almost impossible (seeing as your site didnt even work without WOWmatrix.. it was still bloody slow) really shows what sort of considerate site you are -.-

EDIT: oh and yes, I would never pay for something that wasnt half as good as what I had. And also think about the people playing WoW who dont actually have credit cards so can't pay for anything on the internet. Thats why they have WoW top-up cards as well as a credit card option. -.-

Again, you are missing the point. Go tell WM to host Addons.

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Originally Posted by gwaihirwindlord

Again, you are missing the point. Go tell WM to host Addons.

Um... WM DOES host addons, if the authors ask them to (or if they have a freely-distribute clause)

And... for the record... I still use WoWmatrix to update all my mods.  It's STILL easier to just click on the link to the mod homepage and check for updates there.

Oh wait, how many people who bitch about WM even bother to realize that not only does it link back to the mod's homepage, but it also credits the main author AND puts a donate button up as well?

And I wonder how many of you people who are crying foul that WM "steals bandwidth" use FireFox with ADblockplus?

If you do, you are a bloody hypocrite, just so you know.

wowo sounds like the majority of people "end users" want WowMatrix back they way it was and are pledging to still not do what you want . . . so what do you do now?

Curse is crap. The load of problems it causes is not worth the hassle. I will be uninstalling any mods that are only hosted by Curse. I would rather use alternate addons. Then deal with CC. Sad that with all the changes Blizz is doing to addon makers about donations that you guys would pull this on patch day no less. Real low class. Another thing is wow matrix would point me to your website, when i needed details about the addon. Then I would look around. Not any more.

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Originally Posted by CobraA1

. . . and while we're at it - if Curse and WoW interface are putting their heads together, why is WoW interface creating a separate updater?

Own'd. Thread over.

I have yet to use CC, but from what I'm reading, I'm not sure I want to. I want to spend my time playing my characters, not manually updating all the adds I have!! WM made it simple, run and easy. I could wait 3 days after a patch, and my 100+ add ons were updated in a few minutes. If it were my site that someone were sharing with the world at the push of a button, I'd be tickled pink. That would let people know that I'm out there. However, it seems that common sense isn't involved in this decision.

I love WM, and will probably just learn to get around in the game without the adds Curse and WI have decided to keep from me. Even though they made my game play easier and more enjoyable, I'd rather not deal with a site that has made a decision for me as to what I can or can't use! I hate being "forced" to make a decision, and atm that's what I feel you're doing. Trying to make players decide to either use your site, or don't use the add on. I'll take the latter

Well, in that case Wowmatrix should fix their small problems.

What wow matrix are doing when updating the addons also includes editing them and changing them in a way the author did not intend to do with the addon.

So, wowmatrix basiclly Changes the addon ...  ..

Anyways, Ive ALWAYS used Wowmatrix but now ive started to use Curse Client, im still thinking wich I think is best.

But I will tell you all one example, lets say you guys or girls use Auctioneer, and let Wowmatrix update it, its the LATEST version, so this means it may be BETA version...

While using BETA versions when it comes to Auctioneer, it may show incorrect prices, making you end up loosing Gold. example.

QuestHelper, doesnt use BETA V. normally, but lets say they do, and wowmatrix updates it, the locations it may direct you to may be incorrect.

While using Curse client you can choose if you want to DL the Beta, release or the Alpha versions.

I recommend ALWAYS downloading Release versions since these are stable to the current version of the game, normally.

They say Curse and WOWInterface are working together but CC did not and will not update Lightheaded which is a WOWInterface product. If they are "working together" why can't CC update a WI mod? That is only one example. I want WM back. It was much easier and so much better that having to use mutiple clients to get and manage my mods.

Edited for colorful ridiculous language.

Edited for flaming/trolling/baiting.

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we need WowAceUpdater back, nothing else.

its sad that you guys dont understand how great that tool was. Wowmatrix will never be this good.

and curse, shame on you. stop being selfish assholes and do what the community want. if you want the community to use your tool or your site to update their addons, dont deliver such crap!

If you want someone to program a real tool for you, feel free to contact me to talk about prices for real software.

dont you guys understand that the authors of most addons just dont want to support your shitty site thus they dont upload them to it? enjoy your outdated addons + library conflicts due to shitty updater from a shitter coder of a shitty website.

enjoy.

Lets be 100% clear on something... WoW Matrix is a hack and a half!....2 months after me and my friends started using it suddenly all of us on the SAME day suddenly lost all our toons gold and gear. Do not use it! WoW matrix will take your acounts and make swisscheese of them!

instead of complaining about curse why don't you all complain to WoW matrix and get them to host the addons. Why should websites hold and share files for a program that has no affiliation with their website, or a program that does not help pay the websites running costs. Should Limewire have access to Apples Music Store? definately not!!. Or for all of you complaining how about you team up with WoW Matrix and share your own bandwidth, bet most of you wouldn't. Most of you are all self-centred selfish whingers.

When do you think you'll have a version of your "BETTER" client that works with the most up to date version of OS X?  Never?  Because Mac Users don't play WoW? Because no way could a mac play the game with superior graphics and speed?  Thanks CC for ruining my update schedule.

I understand that you were pissed that someone figured out the code faster then you, but if you're going to pull the plug, why not wait til you had all your bases covered so you'd gain something from it.  So when will a mac version be ready?

16 pages of talking and still not a single word about how will wowi and curse cooperate on providing their users half as good experience as wowmatrix did. I'm still waiting for replies in the thread I created five days ago. Why should anyone think that curse actually cares about anything but making money off their users? It's quite obvious that providing their users with best experience is last of their conserns.

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Originally Posted by gwonk190

Lets be 100% clear on something... WoW Matrix is a hack and a half!....2 months after me and my friends started using it suddenly all of us on the SAME day suddenly lost all our toons gold and gear. Do not use it! WoW matrix will take your acounts and make swisscheese of them!

It is extremely funny if you read through thius entire thread any remote stab at WM and support for WM involves complete lies!

Every single negative comment regarding WM is a lie.

Every Single recomendation of CC is based on a negative coment regarding WM.

This post is telling Curse that its behaviour is unaccpetable curse has responded by doing nothing (this is covered in a previous post)

WM doesnt Steal Bandwidth WM doesnt steal/hack your game your pc or your gold!

Curse is accused by the WOW Comunity as a whole as a greedy monopolising cartel and for that should be flammed endlessly and sincerly hope you run out of money so you cannot afford to pay for your crappy editorial content! that not a single person has supported.

If curse is so expensive just remove all the crap from the website and do nothing else other than host addons your bandwidth will be reduced dramatically becuase no one will need to download the crappy graphics and the crapp text.

BTW no one menioned the fact the WoWace was cool until CURSE cocked that aswell

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Originally Posted by CobraA1

. . . and while we're at it - if Curse and WoW interface are putting their heads together, why is WoW interface creating a separate updater?

Own'd. Thread over.

You've obviously not read the announcement on WoWI. If you did, you would have noticed that the updater is extendible, meaning that a plugin can be written to support Curse very easily.

Lots of flames in this thread. All I have to say is this:

The admin's word is final. This isn't a democracy, it's the internet.

So what your saying is that Curse is a dictator ship and we should all shut up and our opinions are irrelevant?

Well maybe you will eat those word's DWSR as i find you comment extremely short sighted and downright rude! your previous posts have been utter trash as well.

May all authors and any one else using WM pls notice the following which is a announcement from WM!

Hope you enjoy! this message it comes up with any addon from curse or wowinterface:

This particular addon 'Ackis Recipe List' cannot be installed or updated at this time, because it is being hosted at either curse or WOWinterface.

Both of these websites do not wish to have updater's connect to there sites, and have deliberately blocked updater's from doing so, starting right on the day of the 3.1 patch.

Although we do not agree with the actions of these sites, we respect their position in this matter, and are working on ways to bring you a quality selection of Addons with out connecting to thses sites.

If 'Ackis Recipe List' comes with a free dirstibution license (such as a GPL, BSD, Public Domain, etc.) let us know and we should be able to get it back online relatively quickly by hosting it on our own servers.

Otherwise , if you know the author of 'Ackis Recipe list', you may get in touch with them and see if they would like to host there Addon(s) on our servers, and have them contact us if they do.

In the mean time thank you for your patience and understanding.

Please excuse any spelling errors i had to type it out!

I would like to draw you attention to the fact there is no flamming on the part of WM they havent made any coments regarding how much better there client is to others they have extended an olive branch and i am sure will reap the benefits ten fold.

I fear soon DWSR will have to rant at other authors admins etc as there will be no need for anyone else to visit Curse.

LONG LIVE FREEDOM LONG LIVE THE INTERNET!

All I can say is, it's a damn shame. Curse and WowInterface are forcing the WoW Community into spending huge amounts of time updating mods instead of playing the game. Please put aside whatever agenda you're associating with this decision and allow WoW Matrix to use your site. Or... build your own WoW Matrix... It's just that great - updates in literally seconds.

wowmatrix made it easy and fast for me to check my addons and now im not sure how to do it and it has made my gaming less enjoyable i joined your site and cant even figure out how to do the addons all so you can make money on us visiting your site you know greed is one of the 7 deadly sins. mabey if everone contacted wow and had them all baned then you site would not be needed you should work with all downloaders to make our gaming more enjotale and easier

you know greed is one of the 7 deadly sins.

Yeah. Listen, that's not really a compelling business argument, there. My suggestion is that you give the Curse Client a try. It'll go alot further than trying to suggest punitive action against Curse, for the crime of trying to make money.

Just so your expectations are properly set, be aware that the client will only update Curse-hosted addons. The other ones, from WoWInterface, for example, you'll have to get on your own until the WoWI folks wake up and work with Curse to build a unified updater. Oh, and even that won't help with updating addons not hosted on either site.