ich finde es so scheiße das wowmatrix nicht mehr geht macht es wieder so wie es war und gut ist was soll der müll jetzt eigendlich

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The admin's word is final. This isn't a democracy, it's the internet.

Owned.

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So what your saying is that Curse is a dictator ship and we should all shut up and our opinions are irrelevant?

By no means should you "shut up."

But keep in mind that yes, the admins' word is final.

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you know greed is one of the 7 deadly sins.

So is wrath. Could we try to remaina bit more civil?

. . . and in all honesty I doubt this is a case of simple greed. I'm not seeing any proof they are hoarding or misusing the money they receive. I'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt and assume they are using the money wisely unless there is proof otherwise.

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Originally Posted by gwonk190

Lets be 100% clear on something... WoW Matrix is a hack and a half!....2 months after me and my friends started using it suddenly all of us on the SAME day suddenly lost all our toons gold and gear. Do not use it! WoW matrix will take your acounts and make swisscheese of them!

My advise would be to stop visiting gold selling and porn sites. WoWMatrix has never hacked anything on your computer. LMAO

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Originally Posted by DWSR

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Originally Posted by tyfavre004

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Originally Posted by CobraA1

. . . and while we're at it - if Curse and WoW interface are putting their heads together, why is WoW interface creating a separate updater?

Own'd. Thread over.

You've obviously not read the announcement on WoWI. If you did, you would have noticed that the updater is extendible, meaning that a plugin can be written to support Curse very easily.

 

Lots of flames in this thread. All I have to say is this:

 

The admin's word is final. This isn't a democracy, it's the internet.

WOW! Sorry to inform you but the admins may think that they have the final word but in fact the final word belongs to the customer (end user).

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Originally Posted by gwonk190

Lets be 100% clear on something... WoW Matrix is a hack and a half!....2 months after me and my friends started using it suddenly all of us on the SAME day suddenly lost all our toons gold and gear. Do not use it! WoW matrix will take your acounts and make swisscheese of them!

 

My advise would be to stop visiting gold selling and porn sites. WoWMatrix has never hacked anything on your computer. LMAO

Agreed.  WoWmatrix is not responsible in the slightest for anything that happened to you and your friends.  You're quite misinformed. 

As for my take on the WM situation, I've been around long enough to have seen it all.  I used to monitor Curse, WoWI and ui.worldofwar.  Then ACE mods became the rage.  Slowly ui began to slip behind WoWI and Curse in popularity and the WAU was created.  WAU was great as it handled most of the mods I had after converting to the lighter weight ACE based mods.  Once WAU died, I was informed about WM and despite the issues surrounding it, I used it with 95% success.  yes it's better for you to visit a site to see about an update.  The author might have something to tell you that is important.  However for things like the omen update rash where one happened 2 times a day basically, you didn't need a site for it.  In all honesty, if the demand is there for a WAU/WM type product (and there is . . obviously), one should exist.  To all those who say WoWI and Curse should broker a deal, yes they should.  I believe they even tried but from a lot of reports, WM was not as responsive as Curse and WoWI liked.  I would like to see another tool go live like WM/WAU that reaches the major addon sites *AND* the sites authors use like atlas, lunar sphere, gatherer, DBM and more.

WoWI, Curse, WoWAce, WM need to stop dividing the community and work together to provide us a valid link

What few of you seem to realize is that this wasn't a choice between letting WoWMatrix continue to steal bandwidth without compensating curse for it indefinitely or blocking WoWMatrix.  This was a choice between Blocking WoWMatrix (which has consistently refused to work with Curse or WoWI, despite efforts to bring this about), and still being around so people could get addons, and not blocking WoWMatrix and disappearing entirely because they couldn't pay for the bandwidth that WoWMatrix was consuming, and then WoWMatrix users would be out of luck anyway, because Curse and WoWI wouldn't be around to leech off of any more.  WoWMatrix's ability to steal bandwidth from Curse and WoWI would have ended either way, the only question was one of whether it ended when the sites it was stealing from failed, or when they finally stopped its abusive behavior in an effort to be able to continue to provide their services at all.

WoWMatrix may have been a slick program, but it was 100% bad for authors and the hosting community in general.  No amount of "It was a better program" justifies their habit of giving an UFIA to people who asked them to change their behavior. The WoWMatrix updater was not efficient in the way it did things.  It generated much more traffic per user than visiting sites directly or using the site's own updater.

Addon authors have approached them, only to be ignored or lied to, while WoWMatrix continued to distribute addons without permission and even after being specifically asked not to, continued to edit the code of addons, and continued to display ads for Goldsellers and Powerlevellers to make money off of other people's bandwidth while exposing their users to risks (yes, those ads have resulted in distribution of keyloggers to some WoWMatrix users). 

Curse and WoWI approached them, and WoWMatrix never made any real effort to work with them.

This wasn't out of spite, jealousy, or a desire to force users into a specific solution.  The decision was made because it was the only way for these sites to be able to continue providing addon hosting at all.

I'm guessing that this is a reply to me, since it's directly after my post.  At this point, I don't host my own addons -- but I have hosted my own software in the past, so I am fully aware of the costs involved.

Is it morally and ethically right to pass the cost on to Curse?  Sure.  <I>They</I> asked <I>me</I> and the other addon developers of the world to upload addons to them, in return for which, they promised to distribute them.  Now, because someone has introduced a different way for people to get to the addons they host, without seeing all the crud, they want to block it.

From my point of view, Curse has violated the contract that I understood myself to have with them -- they've decided that, because someone found a way to exploit their business model, they can one-sidedly decide to prevent people from downloading the addons using a particular client.  What's next?  Will they decide that if someone is using Firefox with ad blocking, that person can't download addons from them?  Will they decide that if you're coming through an anonymizing proxy, you can't download addons from them (because then they don't know what client you're using)?

Where would I host my addons without Curse?  I already host them on WoWUI as well, which has <I>not</I> blocked WoWMatrix.  And I've just now asked WoWMatrix to host them as well.

And, if it comes down to it, I'll host them on my own web site.  I've done it before, with other software.

I'm not worried about Curse going away.  If you are, maybe you <I>should</I> get the premium version of their software.  For my end -- well, I gave Curse my support by uploading addons I made.  They've chosen to block the way I download them.  Therefore, I am removing my addons from Curse.

I hope curse makes a program just like wowmatrix. it checked my addons for updates, updated them, offered me more addons, told me if i already had it installed, and supplied a link to the homepage it came from for me to have access to more information. The curse systyem doesn't do any of that. i'm a mac user. The curse system does not work.

Quite frankly I'm an end user and the add-ons make Wow a little more fun and less tedious. The curse updater does not work and all it brings up is a "not found" page error. I don't want instructions on how to fix it or what my be causing the error because quite frankly I don't care. Wow Matrix worked just fine without any fiddling on my part or jumping through hoops. At this point this will be the last time I update any addons that I can't get from Wow Matrix. I just don't care enough about any of them to spend another three days of my life trying to figure out where the heck windows hid the darn zip file on me or trying to get the curse updater to work. I'll learn to play the game without any add-ons or I'll quite the game and find another.

You can talk money, integrity, copyrights or whatever. It boils down to one thing - If it's not easy for the normal everyday people to use they won't use it. Period.

Agree with above

But you wont get a sensible reply, every few pages you get lies and inconsistant statements regarding WM. also note the lack of constuctive posting from admins.

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Originally Posted by Hirsute

Addon authors have approached them, only to be ignored or lied to

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Originally Posted by Hirsute

continued to edit the code of addons

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Originally Posted by Hirsute

continued to display ads for Goldsellers and Powerlevellers

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Originally Posted by Hirsute

Curse and WoWI approached them, and WoWMatrix never made any real effort to work with them.

So once again, addon developers cannot force anyone not to modify or stop distributing their addons or they would be violating the addon policy Blizzard started using. Yes, they can ask to not distribute or modify but there is no legal way to force them to stop it.

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Originally Posted by nckswt

In case you haven't heard about this, you can read about what happened here.

It's shameful that Curse and WOWInterface should be forced to band together AGAINST WOWMatrix instead of trying to broker a partnership with WOWMatrix's developers. Curse has always stood as a unifying force in the WOW community – I hate to see them devolve into a nasty, divisive entity that puts its own agenda above that of the WOW community.

WOWMatrix has the best Addon-updater out there. Curse is the best resource for hosting addons. Don't make us choose – work TOGETHER.

Thank you for this post now all we can do is hope curse gets with it.

What I'd like to know is:

Does Curse get the revenue from ads if the ads, or the scripts the ads use are blocked?

If so, Curse wouldn't be getting any benefit from people who use Firefox + NoScript like we all should.

The longest period I'm ever on an addon database website for is when I'm searching for new or better addons.

I'm already having issues with the Curse Client not catching all my addons, and so far, I have about 20%-40% of my addons that aren't functioning due to being out of date.  Now I can assume in part that the mod writers haven't come up with a functional update, but I don't recall having this issue with WM.  The Curse Client is sufficient for what it is, I just think Curse and WoWInterface should pull in the developers of WM to all together use one unified updater with ads from their respective websites.

By the way...To the person claiming that WM has ads for Gold Sellers....I provide the following.

I see four text ads on the top of the client..."PC Registry Cleaner", "Alliance 1-80 Guide", "Horde 1-80 Guide", "Make 297g per Hour Video Proof!"

Please detail to me which one is the gold seller

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I'm guessing that this is a reply to me, since it's directly after my post.  At this point, I don't host my own addons -- but I have hosted my own software in the past, so I am fully aware of the costs involved.

It wasn't, it was a general reply to everyone who feels that Curse was acting maliciously here.  They weren't.

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Is it morally and ethically right to pass the cost on to Curse?  Sure. They asked me and the other addon developers of the world to upload addons to them, in return for which, they promised to distribute them.

Which they are still doing (with the exception of your addons, it seems).  Nowhere did they make the promise to allow someone else to distribute them in a way that prevents them from paying the bills.

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Now, because someone has introduced a different way for people to get to the addons they host, without seeing all the crud, they want to block it.

No, because someone introduced a program that stole bandwidth from curse, refused to work with them through many attempts at cooperation, and was abusing Curse in a way that would end either with Curse going out of business, or Curse blocking them to prevent that happening, they decided to block them.

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From my point of view, Curse has violated the contract that I understood myself to have with them -- they've decided that, because someone found a way to exploit their business model, they can one-sidedly decide to prevent people from downloading the addons using a particular client.

Again, nowhere does Curse communicate any intent to let people obtain the addons they host via any means they want.  They never had.  If you thought they did, you failed to actually read anything they publish regarding the services they offer.

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What's next?  Will they decide that if someone is using Firefox with ad blocking, that person can't download addons from them?  Will they decide that if you're coming through an anonymizing proxy, you can't download addons from them (because then they don't know what client you're using)?

If doing so would enable them to continue to provide addons to those who are willing to play nicely, and failing to do so would result in costs of operation that they couldn't cover, they'd be perfectly within their rights (and not at all unethical) in doing so.  I doubt it would ever come to that, however.  There are fundamental differences between what WoWMatrix did and visiting the site through an anonymous proxy or with an ad blocker running.

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Where would I host my addons without Curse?  I already host them on WoWUI as well, which has not blocked WoWMatrix.  And I've just now asked WoWMatrix to host them as well.

Which is perfectly within your rights as an addon author, asking WoWMatrix to list them is a good thing, because then WoWMatrix is distributing your addons without stealing from anyone.  If they'd been operating this way all along, this conversation wouldn't be happening. Considering that there are a lot more people that use Curse and WoWI than just you, however, Curse's responsibility to continue to provide services extends beyond you.

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And, if it comes down to it, I'll host them on my own web site.  I've done it before, with other software.

Again, perfectly within your rights, but not at all germane to this discussion.

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I'm not worried about Curse going away.  If you are, maybe you should get the premium version of their software.  For my end -- well, I gave Curse my support by uploading addons I made.

I support Curse by visiting the site, and makeing sure my Ad blocker is off when I do.  That's my way of making sure they can continue to provide what I consider to be excellent services.

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They've chosen to block the way I download them.  Therefore, I am removing my addons from Curse.

Perfectly within your rights, and not an unreasonable approach.  However, my comments weren't about this.  My comments were making sure that people understood that this wasn't a matter of "WoWMatrix competes with us, so we're going to block them," on the part of Curse and WoWI, but rather a matter of, "We can't afford to continue to pay for WoWMatrix's bills in addition to our own, so we're going to stop doing so."  The only way to accomplish this, as WoWMatrix had rejected multiple attempts at resolving the problem some other way, was to prevent WoWMatrix from stealing their bandwidth.

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Originally Posted by Hirsute

What few of you seem to realize is that this wasn't a choice between letting WoWMatrix continue to steal bandwidth without compensating curse for it indefinitely or blocking WoWMatrix.  This was a choice between Blocking WoWMatrix (which has consistently refused to work with Curse or WoWI, despite efforts to bring this about), and still being around so people could get addons, and not blocking WoWMatrix and disappearing entirely because they couldn't pay for the bandwidth that WoWMatrix was consuming, and then WoWMatrix users would be out of luck anyway, because Curse and WoWI wouldn't be around to leech off of any more.  WoWMatrix's ability to steal bandwidth from Curse and WoWI would have ended either way, the only question was one of whether it ended when the sites it was stealing from failed, or when they finally stopped its abusive behavior in an effort to be able to continue to provide their services at all.

WoWMatrix may have been a slick program, but it was 100% bad for authors and the hosting community in general.  No amount of "It was a better program" justifies their habit of giving an UFIA to people who asked them to change their behavior. The WoWMatrix updater was not efficient in the way it did things.  It generated much more traffic per user than visiting sites directly or using the site's own updater.

Addon authors have approached them, only to be ignored or lied to, while WoWMatrix continued to distribute addons without permission and even after being specifically asked not to, continued to edit the code of addons, and continued to display ads for Goldsellers and Powerlevellers to make money off of other people's bandwidth while exposing their users to risks (yes, those ads have resulted in distribution of keyloggers to some WoWMatrix users). 

Curse and WoWI approached them, and WoWMatrix never made any real effort to work with them.

This wasn't out of spite, jealousy, or a desire to force users into a specific solution.  The decision was made because it was the only way for these sites to be able to continue providing addon hosting at all.

In a free market where one company fails in any aspect, there is always another to take over with a better business model.

I am a mac user and I love wowmatrix. Please stop wasting my time curse-gaming and either make something as good as wowmatrix for the mac or better yet just unblock wowmatrix.

I keep hearing that curse and wowI approached WM many times? where is this documented?

When is something acutally factual going to be posted that justifies Curses behaviour?

If it wasnt malicious or spiteful in anyway why was it done on patch release?

No one can argue that point its indesputable it was done at the time to cause the biggest disruption to the end user as possible and have the maxium impact and force the download of there own software for greed and nothing more.

If any one  actually has any FACTUAL negative coments regarding WM program or behaviour please feel free to add your coment but i personally would refrain from making sweeping statments based on assumption.

Hirsute you have an agenda its quite clear from your post if its all true please give evidence.

I have made repeated posts in this forum asking for truth and as of yet a havent seen a shred of truth from a single supporter of curse in fact i am coming to the conclusion that any and all posts made even remotley in favour of curse's behaviour are on the payroll and so if i were you i wouldnt burn my bridges.