We're putting 20% towards authors currently.  We're looking at trying to do more in the future but when/if hasn't been determined.

And no advertising revenues are not sufficient to cover our bills.   If they were we'd be in a lot different position. 

You don't honestly think I'm going to pay for downloading/(auto)updating addons. In time it does not matter if I update all my addons at once or separately. I even think it's faster if I update them separately.

But for real:

Premium account provides:
Premium Curse Client - I will not pay for such a lame thing.
Support the Addon Author Rewards Program - The massive use off someones addon is also a big reward. Thou I do not realy know what this is.
Ad-Free Curse.com Experience - Let your income depend on the adds, I don't care, I'll even click them if you get money from them.
Support Curse - I'll have to pay to give you improving Idea's?
Premium-Only Beta Key Giveaways - WTF is this?
Faster Addon Downloads - I'm not downloading DVD/Bleuray files here.

Update all Addons with one click & Automatic Addon updates
What is the advance off heaving an 'update all' button if curse updates my addons automaticly.
Unique Avatar Frame on Curse.com - I'm not going to pay for an avatar.

I honestly don't think you can provide something I would pay for. You should keep your income from donations/adds and not make a lame curse premium account.

In addition, you only support pay by paypall. I do not have and will not have a paypall account.

I don't know, $30 didn't seem too bad for a year and they gave me a little survey when I joined.  I didn't do it for the update button.  I did it to support curse.com and the authors.  I know that several people are hoping for this to go away.  It isn't and truthfully, before I joined up, I was doing fine and it was still pretty fast even one at a time.  I just don't get all the huffing and puffing anymore.

WoWMatrix can go back to their sneaky ways.  I am glad that I never once used WoW Matrix so I didn't get sucked in to unscrupulous methods and people who really didn't invest in the community.

I have faith in Curse to do the right thing and I hope we can continue to expect improvements that will make this worth while.

There are many reasons it should have stayed free but most importantly are the following reasons explicitly from Blizzards Addon policy that require it to be free.

http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/policy/ui.html

1) Add-ons must be free of charge.
All add-ons must be distributed free of charge. Developers may not create "premium" versions of add-ons with additional for-pay features, charge money to download an add-on, charge for services related to the add-on, or otherwise require some form of monetary compensation to download or access an add-on.

4) Add-ons may not include advertisements.
Add-ons may not be used to advertise any goods or services.

5) Add-ons may not solicit donations.
Add-ons may not include requests for donations. We recognize the immense amount of effort and resources that go into developing an add-on; however, such requests should be limited to the add-on website or distribution site and should not appear in the game.

The CC is definately a service related to addons and Blizzard explicitely forbids what you are doing with the CC.

LOL you guys are all moaning about a few dollars for something that supports your hobby ten fold and makes the gaming life easier. I say kudos to paid premium and aside from the crying these guys are supporting the authors with a percentage to continue  to enhance your gaming. Everyone always wants free, I am suprised the paid subscription has not come a long time ago for what curse and devs offers to the gamers. Anyways i wanted to say good job curse and i will proudly support your cause along with the devs to continue to enhance my game experiance.

I can play without mods easily. 25%-35% of the mods i have i dont even get from curse. The point of the matter is that Blizzard forbids this. Hence why you now get the "Premium" version of Carbonite for free.

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Originally Posted by psycomo

I can play without mods easily. 25%-35% of the mods i have i dont even get from curse. The point of the matter is that Blizzard forbids this. Hence why you now get the "Premium" version of Carbonite for free.

You really have difficulty reading with your sea lawyer eyes.  If Blizzard forbid what curse was doing, they would have already issued a C&D and would have removed Curse from their official fansite listing.  In addition to that, Curse has already stated about 40 times that they are in contact with Blizzard and are in compliance with the Addon Development policy.

Screaming at the sky doesn't make it rain.

BTW-> Please direct me to the location where I can download the Curse Client addon.

Blizzard does not forbid this, you are interpretting their ToS wrong.  Blizzard has been in conctact with us regarding our Premium offering and has no problem with it as long as all the addons are available in an uncrippled form for free users. 

All addons on Curse are, and will continue to be freely available.  If you don't find the value in the Premium service, and our free service is sufficient for you, then consider donating to your favorite authors directly.

Yeah really it was once free and should remain free!!!! Premuim having to be paid for on top of everything else people having to pay for is RETARDED!!!! It doesnt matter who you think you "pay service" is benefitting most people wont use it. You people are just GREEDY just like all the other big name companies. Its really screwed up that the addons themselves are free BUT when you go to download them you've got to pay to download more than one at a time... HOW STUPID!!! It just goes to show what lengths people will go to out of sheer greed.

Guys, I'm going to issue a warning.  Keep this civil or I'll lock this thread.

I can understand why people are upset.  No one likes change.  But further name calling will not be tolerated in this thread.  Please keep your feedback constructive.

As Kaelten has said repeatedly, curse has been in direct contact with Blizzard regarding Curse Client Premium and have satisfied any concerns or questions. If you'd like to play lawyer there is no room in this thread, or any thread for that matter. Feel free to make your opinons known in an appropriate manner from this point forward.

Thanks!

As far as interpreting the ToS wrong its kinda hard to missunderstand the blue highlighted text.

1) Add-ons must be free of charge.
All add-ons must be distributed free of charge. Developers may not create "premium" versions of add-ons with additional for-pay features, charge money to download an add-on, charge for services related to the add-on, or otherwise require some form of monetary compensation to download or access an add-on.

Not playing lawyer. I posted the link so you could read for yourself. Check the highlighted text which clearly states that you cannot charge for a service related to an addon. The Curse Client is a service directly related to addons therefore it can not be a pay service according to Blizzard. Unless you are trying to say that the Curse Client isnt a service related to addons. Which it obviously is as it is an addon update utility. Dont see how Blizzard would make this statement and put it up for everyone to see yet somehow allow Curse to not have to abide by the rules like everyone else.

I also dont see how I am being inapropriate. I am not using inaproprate language or belittleing anyone. Just posting clearly stated facts that anyone can read on Blizzards website.

It seems to me that you could have paid for development and design costs as well as made a huge profit by forced advertising during addon updates (they are almost daily) rather than charging for use of the client and bandwidth.  What you face now is having to PAY for the addons that were previously given to you by gamers.  This will certainly dry up.  If I owned a site that produces addons such as Deadly Boss Mods and gave it away freely only to find you SELLING it under the guise of bandwidth and a client to install it, I would want a piece of that action or you wouldn't get your mitts on my work.  Another thing, telling a huge whopper that another company is somehow worse than you when they only link directly to the websites that MAKE the addons (without charge) is unethical.  You appear to have a lot to learn.

They are getting a part of the action, they get some of the money for their addons from the premium service.

Let me start by stating I am a player in WoW.  Not a programmer or have any affiliation with such.

I am very sorry that you chose to go down this path.  I understand that your revenues may have been impacted with Wowmatrix, and for that I do understand and I assume that you did what you did to keep a viable business model. However ultimately I hope you recognize that this will not work or last and there are numerous business cases of this.  What Wowmatrix provided was simply a better way to update the system.  I previously used your updater or wowace updater.  That is until they became unreliable.  Wowmatrix was reliable and easy.  This could have been prevented had your system been reliable.  When it was proven to not be, I was forced to find an alternative source.  Please note, I did not initially want to go to wowmatrix, but your faulty designs in updaters forced me to do so.  Now you force me to choose between a simple easy efficient tool and a paid premium account (which is a result of poor your own poor reliability).  Why do you think this will worK?  Let's examine this particular business model. 

1.Provide me something which is useful (the add-ons)
2. Provide me a way to keep it maintained and in good order (your updaters)
3. Take away the maintenance simplicity, (they are unreliable)
4. Charge me for getting #3 back in working order. (current fiasco)

Seriously, this was the evolution of wowmatrix.  This is why it happened and why it came into existence.  So what do you think wowmatrix (or someone else) will do next?  There is a simple solution to countering your "premium".    I hope you recognize this and seriously reconsider this premium fiasco.

I wish you the best of luck.  As for me, I will find a new way to get what I need.  Sorry guys... you lost me.

PS Kaelton - I understand your statement about being civil or your will lock the post, however this obviously hit a very big nerve for many people. Don't let their incivility become a rallying point for condemning Curse as an unresponsive company.  Take the high road (it will be difficult - but you chose to do this action).

If you are giving kickbacks to the authors they are getting paid for their addons. All curse is doing is being the middle man and taking a percentage of the sale. You can mask it however you want but at the end of the day if you pay for premium you are paying for addons as long as the authors are getting paid. Hence direct violation of Blizzards policy.

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Originally Posted by psycomo

If you are giving kickbacks to the authors they are getting paid for their addons. All curse is doing is being the middle man and taking a percentage of the sale. You can mask it however you want but at the end of the day if you pay for premium you are paying for addons as long as the authors are getting paid. Hence direct violation of Blizzards policy.

See the above post regarding our communication with Blizzard.

@psycomo, The only person who could try to hold us in violation of Blizzard's policy is _Blizzard_.  We've talked with them and satisfied any concerns they have had.   There is _no_ violation of _their_ policy.

Edited. -shinynewac, Mod

@psycomo, The legal interpretation of that clause would have to be taken in the context of the whole passage which gives it an ambiguous meaning at best.  My point is simply that no one can hold us in violation of this policy except Blizzard.  

We're an official Blizzard fansite, we have a long history of working with them.  We happily help them out whenever they ask.  We've spoken with them regarding premium and there is no issue to be had.  

I understand what you're saying, I'm just trying to explain that there is nothing wrong.  

I'd like to start off by saying I went through the trouble of actually having my password restored after I had forgotten it, just to tell you how upset I am.

And to the people who are saying "Oh I'm glad that the developers are getting paid now for producing such great addons!" WHAT DEVELOPERS DO YOU KNOW THAT HAVEN'T BEEN ASKING FOR DONATIONS? DONATE DIRECTLY TO THEM 

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I'd like to start off by saying I went through the trouble of actually having my password restored after I had forgotten it, just to tell you how upset I am. 

   When I saw this, i couldn't help but be amazed at how you can call Blizzard names while giving people advice on the best way to get addons for a Blizzard game...

I removed the inflammatory non-constructive portions of the last three posts.  Please give us all of your feedback that you can, however keep it civil and constructive.   

Earlyer in this topic, I ask a sort of a question.

What is the benifit of a premium account for me?

OK, I know this 
http://www.curse.com/Premium/Signup.aspx
Let me see what I could/want to use±

Automatic Addon updates:
I am not going to pay for update's.

Ad-free experience: Let your income depend on these adds, I'll click them if it keeps curse free and good.
Faster Addon Downloads: Addons are small files, I do not care if it take me 1 minute or 30 sec to download them.
Support the Addon Author Rewards Program: I understand that Blizzard agreed with this way of paying Addonbuilders, that's fine by me.
I also understand that those who make addons may not charge anyone for the use of their addons.
So if you did not pay the autors, you have more money for yourself, and less need for income of a premium account (please correct me if I'm wrong).

Ad-Free Curse.com Experience: You already mentiond this, so with a premium account, I get twice no adds ;)
Support Curse: This one is wierd.
Help us develop new features for the client and website: I have to PAY to give you advice?
Allow Curse to keep providing safe, secure Addons: Ok, I understand you need money to keep curse allive. Only sunlight is free.
Access to Premium-only beta key giveaways: Meaning i get access to what? Beta games? Help me out on this one, cuz this might be the only good thing about curse premium.
Unique Avatar Frame on Curse.com: You realy don't mean this, I have to PAY if I want to use my own unique avatar? I don't think so.

My choice is easaly made, I can still update my addons with the curse client, and Curse Premium realy does not give me anything usefull. I just update my WoW addons one by one.
Unless, and even the I doubt, curse premium has some realy good content, I do not think I'll ever pay for downloading/updating addons.

So please tell me, what is the real benefit of heaving a Curse Premium acocunt. 

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Originally Posted by Martens1984

Earlyer in this topic, I ask a sort of a question.

What is the benifit of a premium account for me?

OK, I know this 
http://www.curse.com/Premium/Signup.aspx
Let me see what I could/want to use±

Automatic Addon updates:
I am not going to pay for update's.

Ad-free experience: Let your income depend on these adds, I'll click them if it keeps curse free and good.
Faster Addon Downloads: Addons are small files, I do not care if it take me 1 minute or 30 sec to download them.
Support the Addon Author Rewards Program: I understand that Blizzard agreed with this way of paying Addonbuilders, that's fine by me.
I also understand that those who make addons may not charge anyone for the use of their addons.
So if you did not pay the autors, you have more money for yourself, and less need for income of a premium account (please correct me if I'm wrong).

Ad-Free Curse.com Experience: You already mentiond this, so with a premium account, I get twice no adds ;)
Support Curse: This one is wierd.
Help us develop new features for the client and website: I have to PAY to give you advice?
Allow Curse to keep providing safe, secure Addons: Ok, I understand you need money to keep curse allive. Only sunlight is free.
Access to Premium-only beta key giveaways: Meaning i get access to what? Beta games? Help me out on this one, cuz this might be the only good thing about curse premium.
Unique Avatar Frame on Curse.com: You realy don't mean this, I have to PAY if I want to use my own unique avatar? I don't think so.

My choice is easaly made, I can still update my addons with the curse client, and Curse Premium realy does not give me anything usefull. I just update my WoW addons one by one.
Unless, and even the I doubt, curse premium has some realy good content, I do not think I'll ever pay for downloading/updating addons.

So please tell me, what is the real benefit of heaving a Curse Premium acocunt. 

Ok, first off a few corrections, the frame is just what goes around your avatar not using an avatar, read more carefully and secondly the Help us develop is so that they can use the money to invest it to build something better for all of curse.com.   Man, all of you whiners are seriously grasping at straws because you keep repeating the same information that has been explained dozens of times in other threads.  If all the people who are upset would actually read other thread instead of just hopping on here and complaining then you wouldn't have these problems.

Just to simply put it....

Curse is providing a service.... you don't have to buy it. Yeah it is a sad and pathetic service but they have the right to offer it. Sad that they are getting paid off of our lazyness with the service they are wanting to offer...

So... us lazy people have a choice. We could use the "Premium" Service they are offering... or use their current free service (which is sorta saving me time in a very crappy way in my opinion) OR you could quit crying and go support another site that offers a better program to install your addons and is willing to host addons on their site.

yeah... the nice wowace addons cannot be updated on wowmatrix due to curse prettymuch owning wowace.

mysuggestion to you all is to quit whining on here because i do believe that curse is getting paid *checks and sees adds all over forums* so... while complaining they are getting $$... it you truely "hurt" curse then stop complaining... don't even go to their site... but thats up to you :)

I know I do not have to buy it, and I will not buy it, cuz I do not see the profit of heaving a Curse Premium account.

Alright guys, Stop complaining. I downloaded the client a while ago.. and went to hit the button for update all.. It sayed i had to pay for it. At first it pissed me off... But it made sence.. you only get like 3-4 addons to update everyday.. Cant you just sit there for 2 min to tell it to update? Questhelper only takes about 20 sec..

The only thing i could ever ask for is a 'Update all' button for everyone for like a week after a big patch in wow is made. :p Dont wanna sit there for 50-60 addons

Banners for something called Warrior Epic that are blocking all navigation tools on the top of the pages, like logging in and navigating to other parts of the site. Way to go!  Applause!

I cant see why anybody would pay for a service like curse when WM offers a better service for free. Curse has coused a lot of trouble by trying to make a profit off of authors of add ons. You can state all your bogus concerns for authors protection and your bandwidth all you want, you refused to negotiate with WM becouse you are simply out to put money in your pockets offering a crapy service verses a free service like WM. I have looked at add ons at your site and it doesent give hardly any info on add on or author and lackes in any info for the actual add on. I'm not your typical wow player, at 46 I see what your really up to where some younger players wont. I will continue to use and support WM and the authors that make there add ons for fellow players. And all authors of add ons should realize that regardless of what curse promises them thay will never make huge amounts money selling add ons. Only the very few major companys out there will ever make money selling add ons. Now i'm not saying this to be mean or belittle there hard and very dedicated work, but curse is trying to make money off you the authors in a deceptive manor. Does curse share the money from the advertising or offer to buy your add on from you ??.  WM offers a very simple and free way of getting the addons out to players and in turn letting players have access to the authors work. Curse i sighned in simply to post my view and relize you probly will delete it but at least it was read. And while your deleting my post delete my brand new and only used once account, I wont need it again.

why do they have to put curse premuim for money it should be for free.

Curse is free. Premium has a cost associated with it. You can still use Curse to update your addons.

Locking this thread because dead horse is dead.