so dont use the update all function. Go get each add seperate plenty of sites. Botton line you pay for the speed and ease. If you dont want to pay dont. Most want all the features this is not and entitlement.

We only delete posts full of insults.

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By the way, have your mods ever considered a job in politics?  You should, because you're very good at deleting, editing and brushing under the carpet anything that is said that does not agree with your mindset and pretending it never happened and that every thing is rosy and good and full of rainbows and gumdrops and...

This is absolutely untrue. When the posts are inflammatory and involve name calling, baiting, trolling then they are edited or deleted depending on the severity. No site I have ever modded on would allow the ridiculousness I have seen over the past two weeks. To be honest, I think our modding has been quite lax. There are many threads in existance in which people have disagreed...but they have done it in a manner that is appropriate.

There is a correct way to be heard and to convey an opinion without making it inflammatory. People are mad we are not tolerating their emotional outbursts. I suspect this won't change.

I have not been impressed with the way mods and curse staff have replied.  To be quite honest 90% or more of those responses have only made memore angry about the change that has been made. You are making your situation worse with every additional staff and mod post. You are perpetuating the feeling within a majority of your customer base that if we arent happy.....Too Bad!  You want what you liked about Curse...then pony up the bucks...

I have seen some meager attempts to convey the financial stability of Curse if they proceed as a free service. But have yet to see how the Update All button and people paying to have access it will solve your financial woes.  Yes I understand that bandwidth costs money... Yes I agree that people paying premium should get faster downloads... but if I .."your customer" ...who has used this Curse Client since the launch of Warhammer Online.. (yes that is when I first installed it and would have gotten the mysterious popup telling me that I would have to pay in the future) ..must now right click each addon one at a time to update it.  You know I can use my web browser and que up mutiple downloads for the addon authors websites direct for free...right?  The only thing the Curse Client Free Edition now offers me is a Out of Date Addon Notification System..

This upsets your customers. You should train your mods and staff that post to these forums to apologize to your customers and try to make them feel better about the diminished status of the product they had come to love if you have any hope of them ever subscribing to your service. Stop making excuses and stop belittling your customer's feelings through insincere posts by mods and staff. Apologize! Be Humble!

And maybe cut some staff if your costs of business are too high...like every other company struggling through this economy?  Way too many mods and staff posting in regards to these upset customer posts...

The way i see it is this, when i installed the updater i was told already that it will be goin to pay services.  the only advantage premium has is it enables an auto update.  I dont auto run my curse and i close it when im done.  i've made it a habit to check before i play wow every time, and with the amount of addons i use i still only see 1-2 updates a day.  How hard is it to me to click update?  not hard at all,  do i care about seeing an advert in the corner of the updater for the 2 minutes i have it opened? nope not at all.  The dataminer? disable it if you dont agree, not difficult and it doesn't hinder your updates if you wow disable it.  The only times theres a lot of updates is if i dont play wow for a week, or there was a major update.  Those are the only times i would see the autoupdate useful.  It still scans your addons, tells you what needs to update for free, so who cares.  All you people whining are doing so to just whine,  they have a free version, you are using it, and it still functions.

I've hosted websites and i have noticed that advertizements dont give much income, just enough to support the site if people aren't leeching off your files hosted.  Curse suffers a lot of bandwidth usage from other updaters targettin them and that is where the income will likely go.  Plus its a well maintained site and actually gives something back to authors to entice them to keep developping, why should they not make any money off of it? as long as they dont gouge im fine with people making money off their sites, because despite the files hosted not being their creation, theres a lot of upkeep to websites.  For the argument that only a few get rewarded, its pretty easy for an addon to get popularity, since theres always a few people in a guild who try out new addons all the time, i am one of those and i make my opinions known to my guild and make tons of recommendations ie. dropping prat for chatter.  lastly, how many will actually subscribe? $20 /year doesn't rake in much when the majority of your features are still available with non invasive ads.

So all this trolling baffles me, why dont all you load your WoW and go kill some penguins to bring joy back to your lives, rather than sit here and complain.

Good God y'all! When I signed up with Curse, I read the documentation. I *knew* that I was receiving free premium service. I knew the limitations of NOT signing up for the free premium service. I thought, "Hey, look. It downloads my addons all by itself with very little intervention from me." Actually, that is my interpretation of what I thought. What I *actually* thought was, "Oh. Cool."

I knew that the time limit on free premium service was limited because it told me that it was in the documentation. True, I was surprised this morning; for some reason I thought it was free until October - pretty sure I'd read that somewhere too.

In any case Curse Client isn't guaranteed by the Constitution. There is nothing that says I am required to use it to live - or even to play WoW.  The exciting thing is that we still have choices. We can choose to purchase the premium service OR we can choose to NOT use the premium service. 

I know that not everyone has the same choices that we have here in the good old U-S of A.  In some countries (and it must be true based on the level of extreme duress vocalized here) I know that someone must be telling you to choose the premium service or die.  For you there is only one choice left. Defect.

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Edit: Losing the attitude is probably a good way to keep your posts from winding up in oblivion.

Conversly, Curse's attitude has the potential to keep THEM from going into oblivion.  It's not like WoW add-ons are difficult to install manually or that there aren't a dozen other server/clients out there with similar features.  This is really nothing more than a convenience that is now showing signs of becoming incovenient.

In my humble opinion, cutting out the update all features and neutering the bandwidth for downloads to users that already had it is just shady.  You'd think that if someone were going to offer a PREMIUM package to encourage revenue that they'd be able to come up with some sort of PREMIUM service.

Just a thought,  O_0

fantastic, im calling that strike 3. "dont like it, dont use it" just goest to show, you really dont care about your average user. Check my account, ive been here 2 years.

First you flame wowmatrix over nothing, check ther faq, every arguement i read about them being bad is addressed there, they saw they messed up and worked to fix it, THAT i have honest respect for. You guys just flame them cuz their client is better then yours. That disgusts me. and taking it to a level where you are actively trying to destroy that application? I have no respect for curse for that.

Then, this premium deal, caught me by surprise. In my experience, you take the existing userbase, give them lifetime premium as a way of sying "thanks for making us who we are, we owe you everything" instead we get treated like cash crop. Show a little appreciation, I and every user could look you in the eyes and say "you wouldnt be **** w/out me" You seem to have forgotten that.

THEN you attitude in response has been "too bad, so sad,, if you dont like it, pee off", refer to mistake #2, dont forget who made you, we the user did.

and you authors? way to go to band together and and make urselves look like jerks, by saying "my addons will only go on curse because they will give me money, and you people owe me", u guys can go to u-kno-where

I will never post any mod or addon here, and im sorry, but i wont give any more addon help here. I will also no longer tell my friends about curse. Ill simply pass updates to my friends myself.

and ive completely written this w/out cursing... and believe me, i really wanted to. Delete it and you make yourselves liars. Grats, i have nothing left for you. I too hope your site epic fails

Ah, I love the internets.

Where everything should be free! All services cost nothing! Bandwidth is unlimited! Guess what kiddies, it ain't.

There's no trickery that I've seen thus far, Curse made it clear to me that I was using a beta Premium client. This is how things get tested, BETA.

Does it kinda rib me a little that I can't get all that cool Premium stuff for free anymore? No, not really. Curse is fast and stable, has the addons I use, and performs very well under stress.

Should I be bother by the abruptness of the release of Curse Client Premium? Again, no. Not really. The basic client is still fully functional, you just don't get the same automation that you had before.

Is Curse Client Premium REALLY that expensive? Not at all. A year for 30$? Sold. Even if I don't use it after a month, It'd still be worth it.

Maybe I just understand seeing value in things, and reciprocating appropriately... I wouldn't mind if Curse stayed free, but I'm sure as hell not going to turn my back on them because they need help with the bills. I don't understand why all the posts are flaming up like this.

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Good God y'all! When I signed up with Curse, I read the documentation. I *knew* that I was receiving free premium service. I knew the limitations of NOT signing up for the free premium service. I thought, "Hey, look. It downloads my addons all by itself with very little intervention from me." Actually, that is my interpretation of what I thought. What I *actually* thought was, "Oh. Cool."

I knew that the time limit on free premium service was limited because it told me that it was in the documentation. True, I was surprised this morning; for some reason I thought it was free until October - pretty sure I'd read that somewhere too.

In any case Curse Client isn't guaranteed by the Constitution. There is nothing that says I am required to use it to live - or even to play WoW.  The exciting thing is that we still have choices. We can choose to purchase the premium service OR we can choose to NOT use the premium service. 

I know that not everyone has the same choices that we have here in the good old U-S of A.  In some countries (and it must be true based on the level of extreme duress vocalized here) I know that someone must be telling you to choose the premium service or die.  For you there is only one choice left. Defect.

 

The october date was there because it was planned to be free until the end of last october, 6 months ago.  However, we wanted to spend more time making it a better service, and so it was extended. 

http://www.curse.com/forums/t/94594.aspx

Please read my post. It has the same animosity that others appear to have. You know, I understand the want or necessity to charge for a service such as this. You have done, in the past, a great job in my opinion. But do NOT attempt to side-swipe OUR community with unbelievable stupidity and crude monetary logic!

You WILL change your pricing scheme, of that I am certain and will bodly state so.

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http://www.curse.com/forums/t/94594.aspx

 

Please read my post. It has the same animosity that others appear to have. You know, I understand the want or necessity to charge for a service such as this. You have done, in the past, a great job in my opinion. But do NOT attempt to side-swipe OUR community with unbelievable stupidity and crude monetary logic!

 

You WILL change your pricing scheme, of that I am certain and will bodly state so.

I've responded to your other post, and thanks again for the feedback.

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Originally Posted by hypnoticbob

http://www.curse.com/forums/t/94594.aspx

 

Please read my post. It has the same animosity that others appear to have. You know, I understand the want or necessity to charge for a service such as this. You have done, in the past, a great job in my opinion. But do NOT attempt to side-swipe OUR community with unbelievable stupidity and crude monetary logic!

 

You WILL change your pricing scheme, of that I am certain and will bodly state so.

I've responded to your other post, and thanks again for the feedback.

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Originally Posted by Kaelten

We're trying to reach viability as company.  Everyone knows that if you have a pickle jar and take two pickles out and only put one pickle in you eventually run out of pickles.

Great comment

Boil down all the arguments, and complaining about Curse's shoddy treatment of their supporters and it comes down to this.....

Blizzard made it abundantly clear that addon authors could not sell their addons, or offer a "premium" (read: paid) version of their addons, or put a "donate" button or prompt into the game for any such addon.  Yet Curse thinks they can charge us to use an authors addon, and then pay the author a piddling 20% of the income for said addon.  

Am I the only one who sees this as a blatant attempt at disregard of the new Blizzard policy?

I will continue to do what I've done in the past...go to the website of the addon author, give them my donation (of which they'll receive 100% and download the addons direct from them.  Not only does this make sure the person who deserves the money actually receives it, but the main addons I use aren't even recognized by Curse Client, some of them they just list as "unidentified" others they offer me some poor excuse of a substitute for.

you all are winers and complainers if u dont like it dont use it dont buy it. my post was responded in a timely manner and everyone has a right to make a buck. why r u doggin them. u guys take the cake man. like one said put up or shut up.

I have to say, I was irritated about having to pay for this when it popped up. That said, thinking about downloading all my mods seperately, making sure they were up to date, and virus scanning them would make for a huge time sink out of my already busy day.

It would also do some folks good to remember that 'someone' is paying for this bandwidth. Twentyfive bucks a year seems like a resonable fee for the convenience of 'one-clicking' to up date my mods, virus free. Plus the idea of sending some love to the authors of the mods I use it a pretty cool idea too.

To the OP, thanks for asking the question, it definately made up my mind about laying down some cash.

Well, I have been downloading curse.com Mods for Wow for sometime now manually and two weeks ago I finally decided to try out the Curse client. Not to my surprise, now  you should  "upgrade" and enjoy the benefits of premium service. Ahh ya I seen this coming and I am sure one day after curse kills the bandwidth for "non" premium downloaders completely to squeeze more people to pay, that I will have to buy the service. I will admit like most people I like things free, cause I am cheap. It costs money to run this site etc and keep it updated. Its great service they are providing and soon maybe they too could play {insert Game Here} all day and rake in the money from subscriptions. Just a lil off humor for everyone, all in all great service and clearly you don't run a website and put hours into cause "You've got that loving feeling", no you wanna help out people ANd make some money. I am just curious about the 20% of the funds going to authors and  what they will say about how much they get etc etc.   Time will tell.  peace

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Blizzard made it abundantly clear that addon authors could not sell their addons, or offer a "premium" (read: paid) version of their addons, or put a "donate" button or prompt into the game for any such addon.  Yet Curse thinks they can charge us to use an authors addon, and then pay the author a piddling 20% of the income for said addon.  

Am I the only one who sees this as a blatant attempt at disregard of the new Blizzard policy?

Blizzard's new addon policy is directed at ADDONS. Those that were (a) offerring a better version of their addon to enhance your wow experience (read as: making money from Blizzard's game by making you do more) -- (b) having an in-game donate button or (c) having in-game advertisements.

Curse's Addon updating client does not access Wow, interact with Wow, or anything that is property of Blizzard. It is a tool that they created to make downloading numerous mods easier and faster. They do not force you to use the client. They do not force you to pay to use the client. Those are all choices you make yourself.

As another mentioned, I've been manually updating my addons for years.. The ads on the site don't bother me, not does it bother me that I have to unzip and move files. That's easy as pie. You don't want that so you want something easier, better.. Your option is the client. Oh, you want it ALL done for you with one click? Well, then pay for that service and we'll do it all for you, otherwise, grease up your elbows and do a bit of manual work but we'll still make it easier.

Simple choice.. Go 100% manual (no client) or 50% manual (free-client) or 0% manual (paid-client).. The world is not free, nor are all its rewards..

Here's the breakdown in the logic that I see:

One click downloads for each addon from the downloader can also be accomplished with the tools included with your browser and OS. Minimal website navigation.

Updating all addons with one click is considered "Premium."

But, with a "Premium" package, you also have an "auto-update all" function. If users of a premium package are able to update their addons automatically, then of what benefit is it to offer a manual alternative as an additional bullet point to a "premium" service? It seems intuitive to include the "update all" as part of the standard package, and offering the automatic toggle as a premium.

But that's not the direction that was chosen.

Instead, users of the free client are being inconvenienced at an irritatingly small level and then have the door slammed in their face when they say that the product now sucks.

There is no amount of "premium" service justification that can possibly make an intentional irritation acceptable.

Offer premium services like beta keys and automatic downloads, but don't insult your community with a bastardized definition of premium. Intentionally inconveniencing users at any level is not a justification for "premium" sales.

It still comes down to Blizz saying the author could not make money from an addon except by donation buttons on their own websites.  So by Curse using the "we're going to pay the authors part of your subscription price" they are enabling the author to receive payment for the downloads, and not by donation only.  I'm not against the authors making something for their work, god knows they deserve it.  I do have a problem with superior addons like Carbonite having to completely revamp their addon policy for Blizz and most definitely with Curse using this excuse as a way to get us to pad their pocket.  Making the whole April Fools joke of an ingame addon store seem more and more likely, now that big players like Curse are getting into the "pay us or else" game, cause you know Blizz is gonna be next, figuring they should profit from each and every addon.

Just posting to say I will NEVER pay for an addon to a game that I already pay a monthly fee to play.  Convenience is nice, but it's not a necessity.  There are plenty of other sites out there besides Curse that posts updated versions of the addons I use.  I'll admit that the ability of having a one click "update all" button was nice, but it was nowhere near worth $30 of my hard earned money a year. 

Hopefully Blizz will change the ELUA and Terms again to take care of this Curse loophole.

I have been a member her for over two years.  I don't recall seeing anything indicating that I was getting a free premuim preview.  I saw no pop-ups, I didn't get an email or PM here. IF there was a message it was so hidden that I didn't see it.

Finally, as was said before in a thread that was deleted, this is why there are anti-monolopy laws.  Curse took over WoWAce updater then in effect shut down WoWMatrix now is charging for a service that was previously free.  This stinks to me.

There is no loophole.. Curse's service does not interact with Wow in any shape or form. It is a service that allows you to use their website in an easier manner if you choose to not manually search for addons and click manual update.

Everyone continues to refer to WowMatrix and yet none of those that love that program, seem to understand how it was in a way illegally offering you updates off other websites for you, bypassing everything, trolling all sites, using their bandwidth, etc.. WowMatrix is a form of a web-spider, doing things underhandedly.. Rather than contact websites like Curse or WowInterface, they instead chose to code ways to access their addon database and in a way, fake-host the addons.

Blizzard can change their ToS and EULA as many times as they want.. It will never affect software that is outside of the game that does not interact or modify the game in any way or form. (Read as: Multiboxing software doesn't touch the game and is legal according to Blizzard. Glide touched the game and was destroyed by Blizzard.)

Then perhaps Curse should see about hiring whoever wrote and coded WowMatrix to come work for them.  Because the WowMatrix client is by far the superior of the two clients, doing things much more efficiently than Curse Client has ever done.  

There was nothing "illegal" in what they were doing, there is and always has been linking downloads from other sites onto another.  Prime example being picture links hosted one place yet being hyperlinked into someone elses website.  As a former webdeveloper I know how difficult that one was to try to work around, yet it was not "illegal".

CC can't even manage to correctly handle the addons that are hosted on their own site, listing them as "unidentified" yet if I do a google search for them to update manually, what is the first one that pops up?  A link to Curse for the addon.   Change an addon that REQUIRES you to change it to make it work (Skinner) and Curse no longer recognizes it and refuses to even show you there is an update available for it, even tho it's hosted on their website.  So until you work out all the kinks, stop taking away the features you've offered us free forever and instead make a significantly better client (In the same ballpark as WowMatrix) and offer it to your "premium" clients. 

Curses client DOES interact with Wow if I'm receiving a popup in game notifying me that there is an update available (which MANY of us received).  Yes, we had to physically disable that part of the Curse Client to make it so it would NOT troll our accounts while we were in the game.  (CurseProfiler I believe it was).