So this morning I find that my Curse client will no longer update all and i'm nagged about becoming a "premium" member. I'm irritated already. To humor the client, I click the button to view more information about the benefits of becoming a "premium" member. At first sight, this strikes me as offensive:

""Ad-Free Curse.com Experience". It goes on to say: "No more annoying or intrusive ads.". So, Curse.com absolutely admits that its ads are both ANNOYING *and* INTRUSIVE. That's shocking to be honest.

Another thing; exactly how does the "Support the Addon Author Rewards Program" work? Are they individually given a portion of all income you generate through this?

Lastly, when I see that a "6-month single payment" option is nearly as much as the yearly option, I look at logic issues. So you use a tier based subscription payment system that starts with an exorbitant amount of money for month-to-month ($4.95/mo., or $59.40/yr.) (more than the cost of a Costco membership, which I gain almost infintely more value from), to a less, but still exorbitant, amount of money for 6-month membership (24.95/6 mo., or $49.90/yr.), to a whoppingly less, but still exorbitant, amount of money for a 1 year subscription ($29.40/yr.). Now, gee, what to do, what to do... well, it's clearly a LOT less to go with a 1 year subscription, isn't it? Any tard would know there is no way in the light of day or depth of dark that they would pay, if they would pay at all, for anything less than a 1-year subscription for a service which clearly is attempting to rape you.

Clearly stated, I am appalled and disgusted. And I know what you'll say. I dont need your spchiel or your sales pitch. This pricing scheme is clearly poorly thought out. This post is an attempt, assuming it's not censored or deleted or locked, to not only open YOUR eyes, but the eyes of anyone even considering this rediculous buy.

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Originally Posted by hypnoticbob

 ""Ad-Free Curse.com Experience". It goes on to say: "No more annoying or intrusive ads.". So, Curse.com absolutely admits that its ads are both ANNOYING *and* INTRUSIVE. That's shocking to be honest.

I think anyone who'd assert that ads are not annoying  to at least some people would need to have their head checked.   People display them out of a need, not because they like em.

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Originally Posted by hypnoticbob

 

Another thing; exactly how does the "Support the Addon Author Rewards Program" work? Are they individually given a portion of all income you generate through this?

Yep, exactly.

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Originally Posted by hypnoticbob

Lastly, when I see that a "6-month single payment" option is nearly as much as the yearly option, I look at logic issues. So you use a tier based subscription payment system that starts with an exorbitant amount of money for month-to-month ($4.95/mo., or $59.40/yr.) (more than the cost of a Costco membership, which I gain almost infintely more value from), to a less, but still exorbitant, amount of money for 6-month membership (24.95/6 mo., or $49.90/yr.), to a whoppingly less, but still exorbitant, amount of money for a 1 year subscription ($29.40/yr.). Now, gee, what to do, what to do... well, it's clearly a LOT less to go with a 1 year subscription, isn't it? Any tard would know there is no way in the light of day or depth of dark that they would pay, if they would pay at all, for anything less than a 1-year subscription for a service which clearly is attempting to rape you.

I didn't design the price points, but yes the best value is clearly a one year subscription.

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Originally Posted by hypnoticbob

Clearly stated, I am appalled and disgusted. And I know what you'll say. I dont need your spchiel or your sales pitch. This pricing scheme is clearly poorly thought out. This post is an attempt, assuming it's not censored or deleted or locked, to not only open YOUR eyes, but the eyes of anyone even considering this rediculous buy.

I'm sorry you feel that way, and thanks for the feedback.

^ Another guy with less then 5 posts upset about this. There are alternative sites you can use if you don't like curse. Nothing is stopping the viewers from browsing those other sites.

For that matter, nothing is stopping anyone from using the basic version. It still checks for addons that need to be updated, and will update them one at a time. It still provides them to you for free, just not automatic anymore. For some it's a luxury they would gladly pay for, others are inspired by the thought of supporting addon authors as a whole, and the few realize that a paid service is necessary to keep Curse alive when 'net ad revenues have dropped by half in the past 6 months.

The only surprise about all of this is the exact day that it happened on, not that it happened at all.

are not the addons created for wow that are done by the designers placed on curse for FREE. then what makes the difference of having adds or not, curse is getting the best deal, not having to pay for designed addons and now requiring members become paid so they do not have to have ppl click on banners etc. There is no benifit for a paid membership for members. Either curse makes moeny from add clicks or membership, membership makes the most so this is the only reason to install it to have ppl get FREE addon designs as curse will not be paying the designers as far as i could read.

MMM do i become a member to use addons that only half benifit my toons, or just get rid of the addons and have programers make them off of curse addon boards... what to do

Oh yer, my first post, quick to burn.. its only you who are the fool.

As mentioned above, if you really have a problem with it, Curse is just one of many sites available.

Blurr, show proof that WowMatrix actually hosted anything they offered... Then I will even slightly consider it "better". They haven't, they don't and they never will (since all that would cost money).

They've actually started hosting OSI compatible version of addons

which in turn prompted several addons to no longer be OSI compatible.

So now they're hosting and serving an out of date, broken version of cartographer.

To me, that's not good either. 

Everyone's missing the big picture here. BANDWIDTH = MONEY which means no money = no bandwidth = no curse.com or it's sister sites. WoWmatrix was stealing bandwidth from sites like curse and wowinterface.com not sure if they still are. Which is why they was/are blocked. The BEST addon updater i've ever used was of course the one and only WoWAceUpdater (WAU)  which is now dead sadly( http://www.wowace.com/announcements/rest-in-peace-files-wowace-and-wow-ace-updater/ ) Don't be lazy an addon updater isn't needed add the addons to your favorites and browse the curse website and view your favorites every once in a while it's not hard and doesn't take much time. Not only that you don't have to have extra crap installed on your PC. Without Curse.com what REAL worth while alternatives does the WoW addon community have? wowinterface.com and wowui.incgamers.com are they as good a curse? some may say yes some may say no.

Without curse.com and these great addon community websites we'd be using google as a search tool to search for addons and downloading them from some crap filefront or rapidshare.com hosting (oh yeah which both have a paid service... )

Peoples options seem to be:
use the free client
use the paid client
use wowmatrix
use the website and not be lazy
find some sort of alternative

please stop crying about the option to pay for something that makes it easier on you so you can be lazy just go click the stuff through the website like many people do

Just a quick FYI, from an author. Someone said in an earlier post that addon authors are "presumably exlusive" to Curse, which is not true. Authors can host their addons anywhere they choose, Curse, WI, or even a dedicated site just for their own addons.

In a phrase: presume nothing.

First point of reference: I had at the time 1 post (my first). How does this invalidate my claim? It doesn't. The respondant of my post was merely deflecting the issue. As are those stating "go elsewhere". Isn't posting here an implicit acknowledgement of a few things? One, I most likely (and do) use the product. Two, I do not believe in the CURRENT pricing scheme (it is HIGHLY exorbitant). And, for simplicity, third, if not for the content created by the authors of the addons (for only ONE example), this software would be unnecessary at the least. Other users have made plenty of good arguments in favor of the fact that this "premium" service is hardly premium.

I also say to ANYONE who deflects the actual issues: if you can't respond in a halfway intelligent manner, why don't YOU stop responding? Well, that's easy. Because you either truly do not agree (validating my claim to do the same) or perhaps you are a team member, or in some way affiliated, and feel the need to post on a "fake"/alternate user account (one of my theories, obviously). At either end, your argument has failed, where mine has has not. Prove me wrong?

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Originally Posted by Blurr

It's an inferior client, that I'm now forced to use

Pray tell.. how exactly are you "forced" to use...?? Did Curse come to your home, tie your hands to the keyboard and block all internet usage and only allow you to access the addons via their client? GO DO IT MANUALLY YOU LAZY ARSE... I've been doing it since day 1 of playing wow. I don't use the curse client because I'm familiar of how and where to put addons.. Gee.. so it might take me a moment of time to update... Wow... make yourself a custom homepage on your browser that links to every mod page that you use.. 1 click and you see "oh hey, there's a new version" or "oh, it's still the same as i have".. voila... no paying, no bitching, no forcing..

You're crying about having to pay for a SERVICE that Curse offers, which you do not have to use.

So, the big issue here is that their pricing scheme promotes the year+ subscription by giving too much of a discount?  Many services don't give a discount for long-term subscriptions at all.  Do you want Curse to apologize to you for offering a good value for a year-long subscription?  WHO CARES if the other terms don't offer as much value.  Anyone with marketing sense would see that it only makes sense to promote a longer subscription period.

So in all this, i have lost the picture of the scheme of things.

Is curse now using this premium service to help pay for there isp service, web hosting, the designers of the mods/addons/etc.

I have not yet seen any mention that the designers of the addons will in anyway benifit from this new service at all, so if they are not going to get paid for allowing curse to have access to their addons that end users can use, then way is this being implimented. I can see no problem if payment is given to designers for their work, as i see it if curse is having people pay for a service which is add free then maybe curse needs to pay the designers, to me this is usage of anothers service to receive payment for a product which is no theirs to start with.

Just add click more people, that way curse will be paid more and we wont have to pay for the "premium service".

Thanks to all the designers of the addons.

Curse is in it for the money, not the players.

Don't buy this service bull****

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Originally Posted by Skin88

So in all this, i have lost the picture of the scheme of things.

Is curse now using this premium service to help pay for there isp service, web hosting, the designers of the mods/addons/etc.

I have not yet seen any mention that the designers of the addons will in anyway benifit from this new service at all, so if they are not going to get paid for allowing curse to have access to their addons that end users can use, then way is this being implimented. I can see no problem if payment is given to designers for their work, as i see it if curse is having people pay for a service which is add free then maybe curse needs to pay the designers, to me this is usage of anothers service to receive payment for a product which is no theirs to start with.

Just add click more people, that way curse will be paid more and we wont have to pay for the "premium service".

Thanks to all the designers of the addons.

A portion of every subscription fee will go towards funding the Authors Reward program.

I just uninstalled the client. Great job.

One of the things that I liked about the curse client was the ability to "Update all addons", now I have to do them one at a time. An annoyance, but a stupid one.

Great going at upsetting your fan base.

I am still running it, but I probably won't be very soon. why should I have to spend money for something that was originally free? Oh, that's right... as the movie Wall Street said... "Greed is GOOD!" I was originally running WoWMatrix, and switched to the Curse Client. I'll be going back to The Matrix. I've been working on addons myself, and now with this "premium service"... I'll probably host them on WoWMatrix.

People will be able to enjoy them as they have in the past... FOR FREE!!!

Open sourcing is for the common good... not the profit of others!!!

From now on I will never use this curse account. I prefer to manual update my add ons that paying for a free service.

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The wowmatrix client was better because the ads weren't obtrusive. They didn't try to get you to subscribe to their "premium" service every time you did anything. The functionality was better (update all wasn't a button you had to pay to press). The program itself didn't require an install, didn't take up much space, etc etc. The curse addon has a huge list of "unidentified addons", most of which I actually got from the curse site. How can it not identify Deadly Boss Mods? It's an inferior client, that I'm now forced to use because certain people in the community moved to try and cripple wowmatrix, which Kaelten even aluded to. Heck it was actually EASIER to donate to an author through wowmatrix.

How is a clunky, obtrusive, program that tries to get me to spend money every 5 minutes better than a small, efficient program that has unobtrusive links that are easy use when and how I want?

The WoWMatrix client modifies the addons it downloads and installs. They may even sometimes manually edit an addon and host it themselves, like removing any mention of the author.

They modify the addons to not get automatically disabled, and still appear updated, and they modify your clients settings to suppress errors, so that unless the whole addon is broken the user is never aware of any bugs with the product.

When they finally do find an issue they complain to authors, but since WoWMatrix modifies the addons to appear updated, they waste a lot of the authors time telling people to update to the newest real version.

the sad thing is that with Curse charging a fee for their auto updater to give a portion to their authors means 1 of 2 things, Blizzard steals the Idea the author made or they block that add on function in WoW .. plain and simple , Curse.com is just hurting everyone in the long run. So what will u do when Majority of the addons get blcoked from WoW? will u refund everyone that paid a premimum?

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Originally Posted by Winternever

From now on I will never use this curse account. I prefer to manual update my add ons that paying for a free service.

I don't understand this line of thinking at all.  Remember, you don't HAVE to pay for Premium.  Even the free client still makes things a lot easier than going manually.  I mean, holy crap, is it that hard to click each addon in a simple list, that has an update available, and click the update button?  Is it really that big of a deal?  You people are all overreacting on rediculous levels.

You also have not lost anything you had before.  When you installed the client, if you actually took the time to read things before just clicking OK, it told you just what you'd lose when Premium went live.  You didn't lose something you had before, you just had access to something as a temporary gift.

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Originally Posted by HonorGoG

As mentioned above, if you really have a problem with it, Curse is just one of many sites available.

Execellent way to try to keep your fanbase there......

If the fanebase stops and thinks for a minute, they'll likely realize that the service provided by Curse for free, with the website and the free client (which still works great without one convenient but unnecessary button), is still far better than any of the other sites.

Huff and puff now because there's an ad or because you have to actually click an addon in the list and THEN click an update button too.

Everyone needs to stop being so overdramatic and think about it.  This service costs A LOT of money to run and Curse has to have income to pay their bills and employees.  Is charging a fairly small fee for a service too much to ask for that?  Besides, there's nothing stopping you from going the free route if you can't afford the cost (what is it anyway? like $2.xx/month? don't buy that bottle of soda once a month) and either install addons manually, like you had to in the past, or buckle down and click the update button in the client.  Yep, this makes life so hard.

Removed the client.

What upsets me most is that they now impose ads straight to the client. I don’t mind adds on a website as I know it helps funds, but this move is a load of BS! All links to curse.com from our guild website have been removed, in my eyes this is "adware". Gd luck, once again greed takes over...

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Originally Posted by Judx

Removed the client.

What upsets me most is that they now impose ads straight to the client. I don’t mind adds on a website as I know it helps funds, but this move is a load of BS! All links to curse.com from our guild website have been removed, in my eyes this is "adware". Gd luck, once again greed takes over...

It might be just me, but I don't see why ads in the client matter?  My client has ads now too, but who cares?  Does a graphic in a program (that's all it really is) really matter at all?  Are they forcing you to click it?

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Originally Posted by Judx

Removed the client.

What upsets me most is that they now impose ads straight to the client. I don’t mind adds on a website as I know it helps funds, but this move is a load of BS! All links to curse.com from our guild website have been removed, in my eyes this is "adware". Gd luck, once again greed takes over...

It might be just me, but I don't see why ads in the client matter?  My client has ads now too, but who cares?  Does a graphic in a program (that's all it really is) really matter at all?  Are they forcing you to click it?

It's ads on your personal computer which which make twice the amount of money then a webpage ads, if i wanted it i would subscribe to a *edited* newsletter. Get with it nub! 

@paratus

Please edit your post to reflect "former fanbase."

That one button was the only attractive feature which balanced out the invasive program. It's not only about clicking one button, but having some reason which offsets the rest of the uselessness of the client. The fact that a web browser can mirror the services provided by the client, and the fact that the only attractive feature of the client has been crippled.

Auto-update - That's premium.

Update All - That's basic.

Please offer some advantage over internet bookmarks which would make any user want to install this client.

I would love to see some statistics on the percentage of free clients that have been alienated by the removal of "Update All." It would be very entertaining to see that number.

Meanwhile; I'll be looking for an alternative or scripting my own.

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@paratus

Please offer some advantage over internet bookmarks which would make any user want to install this client.

That's pretty obvious, isn't it?  The client will still install the addon for you.  It handles all file extraction and you can update all addons very easily in one place.  I don't find the program invasive at all; what is it that you find so invasive about the application?  I mean, it sits there in my tray and I double click it and update the addons when I choose.  Clicking the addon in a list, where it shows out of date, and then clicking an update button is not difficult.  As you can see I don't have a premium subscription but I find the client almost as useful as before.  Sure it was great having the update all button but it's not that big of a deal, really.  You people all need to relax.. not everything is a big deal.

I really did enjoy the update all button and the auto-updates which the client did before, but at the same time I can think critically and understand that Curse needs to give good a incentive for people to pay the subscription cost.  I run a website too and ads do not pay well at all!

I deleted client. All my friends too, as i know.  bb curse

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Originally Posted by Blurr

click on the link to go to the author's page, NO donation button. I click on the link to go to the Addon page, and NO donation button. How am I supposed to donate to the author? If I have 10 bucks I want to give to the author of DBM, I can't find a link on any of Curse's pages to give that to them.

Oh yeah, and @WoWZa, you might try a thought out post rather than just coming in and calling people names based on one phrase. People might actually take you seriously.

Do you honestly read anything you write or what others write? I have not called anyone "names" in any of my posts.. (calling someone a lazy arse is not name calling, but fact).. You're just too lazy to do things yourself you want a free program to do it all for you.. I think anyone who has read anything that I've written has taken me seriously.. Definately a lot more serious than someone with a total of 9 posts (at the time of this posting) and probably the same under numerous other names.

I regards to your other info.. Having a "donation" link is up to the author. DBM doesn't want or ask for donations so why have that button? They do it for fun.

Nice buzz word: "think critically."

Also a weak attempt to insult people that don't share your opinion.

If you consider unzipping a folder into another folder an "installation," then you've been sorely misled. Putting a clutch into a '92 Toyota celica is an installation. Copying files is... copying files. I can send tehm... with one click each, manually, to the correct destination. That's simple vbscripting.No one said clicking one button for each addon is "difficult." It is inconvenient. The degree of inconvenience is open to interpretation, but curse is claiming that the inconvenience is so substantial that access to it is "Premium."

There is nothing premium about it, and any attempt to call such basic functionality premium falls on deaf ears. Any number of keypresses greater than 1 is somehow less than premium service?

Slow down the bandwidth usage on free accounts and give premium accounts priority during peak usage.

Also: advertise donations in some serious manner rather than as an afterthought.

I am only going to press one button to post this, should I be charged for premium services?

@paratus

I apologizing for not answering your question as to the invasiveness of the client.

If I manually install an addon, I put the files I want on my system and I'm done.

If I have a downloader do it, I am using system resources, no matter how small, to have the application offer me some convenience.

A single byte of space is too much for something that monitors the wow process and offers me no advantage to a manual installation. Considering even a small application acceptable for no apparent reason is exactly what has bloated the Windows OS and countless other applications into giant snowballs of trash. There is never an acceptable amount of wasted space or system resources. Supporting that line of thought will continue to lead to overinflated trash software.

I already navigate to curse.com to view the details on an addon. The updater is not saving me any time at all clicking them one at a time. I can't even click update all and let the process run at a reduced rate when I am AFK. What kind of service is that? I have to sit at my keyboard to install updates, and giving me two minutes to go to the bathroom or to get a beer while addons inatall is considered "Premium."

If I can't go AFK, and the software does nothing that I can't already do with one click per addon, than please explain how any single byte is anything but a waste of space and invasive.

I also neglected your last comment, that they need to offer incentive to pay for premium. That's just it: "Update All" is not that hook. Automatically updating while you're away, that's premium. And if I can do that with premium, then what would I need an "Update All" button for anyway? Curse backed up the truck, and took all of the sand out of their sandbox, leaving us sitting on crappy ads for flash games and wow gold sellers. How do people see this as anything but callous?

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Originally Posted by Winternever

From now on I will never use this curse account. I prefer to manual update my add ons that paying for a free service.

 

I don't understand this line of thinking at all.  Remember, you don't HAVE to pay for Premium.  Even the free client still makes things a lot easier than going manually.  I mean, holy crap, is it that hard to click each addon in a simple list, that has an update available, and click the update button?  Is it really that big of a deal?  You people are all overreacting on rediculous levels.

You also have not lost anything you had before.  When you installed the client, if you actually took the time to read things before just clicking OK, it told you just what you'd lose when Premium went live.  You didn't lose something you had before, you just had access to something as a temporary gift.

I think your missing his point.  It isn't because he thinks it is a hard thing to do...It is because he had something else that did it for him and he liked using it.  It worked and he was happy.  Now he isn't happy - is all???

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Originally Posted by mwratclif

I'm with Blurr on this issue.  Everyone HAS to use Curse now (well done there) because they have virtually shut everyone else down.

So you're essentially saying that WowInterface, WowUI, WowAce and numerous other sites that offer addons on top of the author's own site that offers it (if applicable) no longer exist? You are not forced to use Curse or anything that Curse offers.

Every addon author out there knows, the more places you use, the better your application is seen. Few and far between is the idea of "I'll just use place <a>" better than "I'll use place <a>, and <b>, oh, and <c>, <d> and <e>".. Exposure is golden on the internet (that is why you pay for a top-10 google search result).

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Originally Posted by mwratclif

I'm with Blurr on this issue.  Everyone HAS to use Curse now (well done there) because they have virtually shut everyone else down.

 

 

WoWI and WoWUI are running just fine.

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Originally Posted by Blurr

click on the link to go to the author's page, NO donation button. I click on the link to go to the Addon page, and NO donation button. How am I supposed to donate to the author? If I have 10 bucks I want to give to the author of DBM, I can't find a link on any of Curse's pages to give that to them.

Oh yeah, and @WoWZa, you might try a thought out post rather than just coming in and calling people names based on one phrase. People might actually take you seriously.

Do you honestly read anything you write or what others write? I have not called anyone "names" in any of my posts.. (calling someone a lazy arse is not name calling, but fact).. You're just too lazy to do things yourself you want a free program to do it all for you.. I think anyone who has read anything that I've written has taken me seriously.. Definately a lot more serious than someone with a total of 9 posts (at the time of this posting) and probably the same under numerous other names.

I regards to your other info.. Having a "donation" link is up to the author. DBM doesn't want or ask for donations so why have that button? They do it for fun.

Just because you have 138 posts (at time of writing) doesn't mean your: right, smart, not lazy or anything else.  Judging people on face value and calling them names is NOT "fact" either.  You can try and 'Bully' people anyway you like - it still doesn't make you right, or them wrong "Fact".  Why not just calm down, take a look at yourself and get a grip?

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Originally Posted by Wowza1

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Originally Posted by Blurr

click on the link to go to the author's page, NO donation button. I click on the link to go to the Addon page, and NO donation button. How am I supposed to donate to the author? If I have 10 bucks I want to give to the author of DBM, I can't find a link on any of Curse's pages to give that to them.

Oh yeah, and @WoWZa, you might try a thought out post rather than just coming in and calling people names based on one phrase. People might actually take you seriously.

Do you honestly read anything you write or what others write? I have not called anyone "names" in any of my posts.. (calling someone a lazy arse is not name calling, but fact).. You're just too lazy to do things yourself you want a free program to do it all for you.. I think anyone who has read anything that I've written has taken me seriously.. Definately a lot more serious than someone with a total of 9 posts (at the time of this posting) and probably the same under numerous other names.

I regards to your other info.. Having a "donation" link is up to the author. DBM doesn't want or ask for donations so why have that button? They do it for fun.

 

Just because you have 138 posts (at time of writing) doesn't mean your: right, smart, not lazy or anything else.  Judging people on face value and calling them names is NOT "fact" either.  You can try and 'Bully' people anyway you like - it still doesn't make you right, or them wrong "Fact".  Why not just calm down, take a look at yourself and get a grip?

I'm actually quite calm, I have a grip, have not bullied anyone and I also see the feasability of Curse charging for a premium service to make things easier for you. I am not one of the 20+ (under 2 posts per person) that are flaming Curse for their practices. I'm not flaming others either. The curse client is merely a service above doing it all manually from links on a website or homepage. They offer this, in 2 forms... free with ads and limited use or paid with no ads and more use. The choice is still yours on what you want to do. The choice is definately theirs if they want to charge.