How many addon site tried to charge and found it just wont work??? Curse your next!

I have a complaint, you say u get faster downloads with curse premium, thats may be true seen as you have drastically cut to free account download rates its appauling.

If you offered faster than the (as was) free account then you may have something but all you have done is take it all away and charge its silly and a bit underhanded!

why are people bitching so much about the dl speed on free? if its running that slow on your maybe ya need a better connection,mine still dls fast enough.

and about giving authors some,if you start depending on a videogame addons to make a living for yourself you really got some problems,go get a REAL job and start playing this back when you were playing it for fun and taking a break from your life

Oh my god, well I am so sorry for expressing my opinion, my download time from curses servers has significantly slowed since they began to charge, its not imagination, its not my system its not my connection its the upload rates from curses servers. Jesus do we only have people on forums these days that mouth off without knowledge?

Trust me pal im one of a few hundred people in the UK that actually understand this as most of the infrastructure was built by people like me.

Check your facts!

My download speeds are incredibly fast... and I do it all manually... I'm with Stimie... enough of the complaining and everything... Curse mad a product, and a choice.. you're not forced to use it or anything..

Its like complaining about the cost of gas.. and yet, you don't *HAVE* to drive... its a convenience... conveniences come at a premium..

You know, I usually only have to update one or two addons at a time, and that's usually only once or twice a week. And I dont really care about Beta keys, so the free service is awesome for me. Now, there are those out there that run so many addons that they need to update simultaneously, because its so time consuming to do so manually, and there are also those out there that want the exclusive betas, so Premium is awesome for them. Honestly, they could have just made the client premium only, and made you download addons from the site and install manually, but they didn't, so stop whining about it.

i run in eccess of 250 to 300 addons (atleast by looking at the sub dirs in my addons folder, give or take) give or take a few, hardly think i need to post a list of them here...  but yeah agreed with Bledandbeaten, usually i only have to update no more than usually 5 at any given time so the premium version is useless to me...  interesting to note that curse's website also doesnt include ALL of the addons available for wow that are out there, given that that is quite a feat to actually organise on a day to day basis depending on how often they themselves update their addon updates... still in that respect, i really wouldnt feel like paying for a service that doesnt cover my every need, thers atleast 50-60 addons that i run which curse doesnt have on its website but wowinterface does...  perhaps an interesting and valid point if ur thinking that thhe premium client will download ever mod available out there... food for thought...

download speed wise, well im capped atm so yeah EVERYTHING is slow lol when i wasnt tho i did notice a slight drop in speed while updating and refreshing addon lists available for download, but the decrease was insignificant with all things considered...  doing it manually is just as good imo :)

thank you dear Curse project for your client, it's really beauty.

but..

if ppls spend some cash to play the game, it's not mean they able to pay for other game related things..

sadly, but it's a time to rollback to alternative update software.. for me.. and for all my guild.. and for other my friends.. i'm asked all my friend list.. just iteresting..

noone will pay for it..

most ppl in russia dont have money that are we ready to spend for such utils..

i'll perefer to switch to something other.. yeah, maybe they are bad, ugly, may modify addons as scary stories says.. but addons are updated.. and works..

it's a nasty to click 'update' for 20+ addons.. some of mates have 40 and more..

anyway curse website is up and running, it's not so bad to reload one buggy (if such impossible thing happens) manually..

thank you for all

you using 20+ adoins to play this game then you ot some other major problems

addons make you stupid btw

try having natural skills like me and use your brain

yeah, most addons like questhelper makes gamer stupid.

but there is some addons, life without such are much harder..

like XPerl and DBM or BigWigs..

this two addons can be updated and without premium...

thats why i still use Curse Client. but, who knows. click two times to update when u can click once it's.. mm.. ;p

I am not going to debate the worth of addons other than to say that Blizzard encourages their development, and to that end uses the Lua language which is very easy to code.

What I would like to point out is the "previously free" version someone mentioned above was a Preview Version of the Premium Client; this was publicly announced all over Curse, again when people installed the software, and there was a reminder at the bottom every time you ran the software that it was a Preview version.

The Premium version does indeed download addons faster (if that matters to you) compared to the Basic version, but that's because Curse "turned off" or "disabled" or [insert your favourite equivalent] those features in the Basic Version.

Users did who used the Preview and are now using the Basic version knew this. Think of it this way: back in September, Curse could have had the Basic and Premium Clients at the same time, without having a Preview. Really, you gained six months of Premium for nothing, and in fact, did not lose anything.

Your updater is against the EULA and as soon as blizzy know it the problem will be solved.. till now it is anyway not a problem.. I just made my own updater, it works, no problem at all......

Why is everyone complaining so much? It's not like they are asking for a lot of money. And things still download fast enough that you can stick with regular without too much problem. The premium is a convenience that does not have to be offered. I agree, by giving the preview they gave everyone a free glimpse of premium. Buy why anyone would complain about ~30 a YEAR I have no clue.

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Why is everyone complaining so much? It's not like they are asking for a lot of money. And things still download fast enough that you can stick with regular without too much problem. The premium is a convenience that does not have to be offered. I agree, by giving the preview they gave everyone a free glimpse of premium. Buy why anyone would complain about ~30 a YEAR I have no clue.

I'm not complaining at all... I'm just saying that charge an amount for something related to wow addon is forbidden and so as soon as Blizzy know it (and a lot of ppl just work for this to be know) this will end, I'll hope for you premium user that curse will refund the amount of the subscription.
Apart from this as I told this is just my thoughts... I have my own updater.. it works perfectly.. so no need of wowmatrix.. curse.. or whatever else :)

Ya Blizz does not like charging for addons. Look at carbonite. They had a free version and a paid version. Now they only have a free version and can only accept donations. I know several people that use 20 plus addons that can barely afford to play WOW. Now they are expected to spend 30  min clicking on each addon to update it. They cant afford to pay for Premium services. I think this was a bad idea for curse and they will eventually get caught by Blizz and stopped. I still use Curse now but i dont like the way they screwed everybody. They took away form everyone instead of adding things for the paid service. :(

I have stayed out of this entire debate right from the start but I really have to chime in on the current line of argument.

This is to anyone whom wishes to reply: Please point out any addon that is hosted on the Curse.com site that is only available to premium users and not to the general user base? Any addon will do just please back up your comments with concrete examples.

Here is the thing, if Curse.com (or Wowinterface) was denying access to an addon to nonpaying subscribers then, YES, they would be violating the new UI policies set out by Blizzard but since they offer each and every addon free of charge to any visitor to this site they are NOT violating said policy. There are many, many good points on both side of this argument but if you are going to accuse someone of something you MUST supply proof of your accusation and not just voice your disdain of their business practices.

Live with it or move on.

The free downloads aren't all that slow...  To be honest I don't see much of a difference between now and a few weeks ago when everyone was on premium.

FWIW I'm on a 20/5 FiOS connection.

IMHO, if the forums had an age limit saying "No one under 16," 99% of these complaints would dissappear.

The fact of the matter is that they provide a service and ASK, not demand, but ASK, that you pay for an improved version if you feel so inclined. They don't have to do this.

They are also in complete compliance with the EULA and the TOS, being that they do not charge for thier addons, just the improved version of thier updater. (In turn, a share of those profits are DONATED to authors, as I understand it.)

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I have stayed out of this entire debate right from the start but I really have to chime in on the current line of argument.

This is to anyone whom wishes to reply: Please point out any addon that is hosted on the Curse.com site that is only available to premium users and not to the general user base? Any addon will do just please back up your comments with concrete examples.

Here is the thing, if Curse.com (or Wowinterface) was denying access to an addon to nonpaying subscribers then, YES, they would be violating the new UI policies set out by Blizzard but since they offer each and every addon free of charge to any visitor to this site they are NOT violating said policy. There are many, many good points on both side of this argument but if you are going to accuse someone of something you MUST supply proof of your accusation and not just voice your disdain of their business practices.

Live with it or move on.

Sorry to say this is the wrong point of view.
We have to prove absolutely nothing, I found something that under my point of view is against EULA, so as a lot of other people just wrote an email to Blizzy to notify it.
Blizzy will surely analize this situation and if you are right.. so.. my apologies.. otherwise I really think you've something to explain.. and to refund also.
Anyway as told.. for me it's only a matter to remain at window and see who stand on the right side.. I've just made my own udpater .. and it works fine (and no.. avoid to pm me.. I'll not give it), we'll see how this will finish ;)

As one of the mods said on another thread (don't remember which one), Curse has already contacted Blizzard. Blizzard doesn't have a problem with the premium service,  Curse isn't charging to get addons, just giving people an alternative to get faster d/l and the update all capability, plus some other bonuses.

we'll see if Blizzy will answer same to me, especially regarding the toc modified for curse (author or curse itself)... and for some not fully clarified benefits authors seems to have hosting only with curse..... we'll see.

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As one of the mods said on another thread (don't remember which one), Curse has already contacted Blizzard. Blizzard doesn't have a problem with the premium service,  Curse isn't charging to get addons, just giving people an alternative to get faster d/l and the update all capability, plus some other bonuses.

just ignore lordmordantes.... he is just trolling.

That's obvious now, since I don't remember changing the TOC for Curse and I know exactly the benefits we authors are getting. ;)

lordmordantes, if you don't stop trolling, your posts will be deleted. Saying that Curse's business practices are against Blizzard's ToU and EULA is not true; Blizzard is very aware of Curse's hosting practices and the state of the Curse Client because Curse is an official fansite. Blizzard does not have a problem with anything Curse is doing, and saying otherwise only makes you at best, wrong, and at worst... well, I'll be kind and not finish that thought.

How you get your addons is no concern of ours, unless it interferes with either Blizzard's or Curse's business practices, and Blizzard can take care of themselves. All this has been discussed repeatedly in the last few weeks, and to those who may take offense at my bold tongue, I apologize. However, lordmordantes, you have been warned. We do not appreciate lies being spread on these boards.

What I want to know is this... What percentage of the Premium money, if any, if being distributed to the mod authors?

http://wow.curseforge.com/announcements/curse-premium-and-authors/

Looks to be 20% as of now.

20%, yes.

bye bye curse... there much other dl clients.

Since a certain percentage goes to authors, i have no problem in buying Premium client.

I agree. It's what, $23 for a year's membership, and you get all their cool little features and junk. I honestly just wanted to use the Update All feature. :) However, that $23 would be a crime if a portion of that money didn't go to th emod authors. 20% is fair I suppose. It's roughly $4-$5 out of every Premium subscription to spread around to mod authors though. For someone like myself however, that uses quite a few addons, I'm not sure how far you can spread that $4-$5. Even if $5 of my subscription goes to mod authors, if I use 100 addons, thats what, $0.05 (5 cents) to every mod author? At the same time, Curse made about $15 off of the deal.

I suppose the actual numbers is between the mod authors and Curse, but I can see them asking for a higher percentage in the future perhaps. At any rate, as long as some of the money I gave to Curse is going to the mod authors, that's all I really care about. I wouldn't mind a mod author making his own site and banning together with quite a few other well known others and putting all of these companies out of business either, but that's just my opinion. Either way, Curse provides a great service to the community at the moment, as does WowInterface and WowUI. I am a former user of WowMatrix, and I have to say it is kind of a pain not using it anymore. If WowInterface and Curse can get together on the "anti-WowMatrix" tip, why can they not get together about their own mod updater? Honestly, I paid for Curse this time, but when WowInterface brings theirs out, I'm not going to pay for it. If it means not using mods that only they support, so be it. It would be simply ridiculous to have to pay for two mod updaters just to get the best of both worlds. Hopefully such things will be taken into consideration in the future.

I'ma premium member! Thanks for the chance to do it Curse!

Personally speaking, I'm quite grateful to Curse for the availability of the 'basic' version and will stick to it. I like the idea of the support to authors and this made me look seriously into the 'Premium' option, but only felt ok with the 'single payment fee' option, not the recurring one.

Something that would probably lead me into the recurring payment model is a (currently) missing feature like the ability to synch the add-on downloads between several computers (I play WoW on 3 computers, but use a common set of add-ons). Is something alike being thought of or develop ?

Thanks !

PS: oh and btw, it's a shame the Premium ad' link forces to launch IE instead of your default browser ! :-(

Is curse also sharing advertising money with the addon authors?  They wouldn't be getting a dime of advertising money (which is substantially more money than they are getting from premium users) if it weren't for the authors.

My biggest issue with this is that people are getting money hungry about something that started out as a helpful resource to gamers.  Now, it's all about the money.  That's all anyone is talking about is the money.  Question: Is WowMatrix charging people?  I believe they are accepting the advertising money as being more than enough for them to continue hosting their addon updater and manage their servers.  Why would Curse need to charge for a service that a WowMatrix offers for free?  Answer:  They don't. Curse is just greedy.  I find it amusing that Curse's "Premium" client boasts functions that WowMatrix has always offered for FREE with their client.

I won't be downloading any addons from Curse.  If you're an author of an addon that you ONLY allow to be hosted on Curse, then I ask that you consider the reason that you made your addon in the first place.  I doubt that you had delusions of making money from it.  You probably just realized a need for your own gaming experience and found a way to make it more fulfilling by creating your addon.  Now, you allow the idea of money (and be real, you aren't going to see much of the divvied money) to prevent your addon from benefiting anywhere near the amount of people that once enjoyed it.  Imagine if the resources you utilized to learn how to code had the same mentality.  All those websites that you visited to learn how to do a particular piece that you struggled with could have charged for the information that they store, but they don't because they see it as a helpful resource.

As far as Curse's "Premium" client violating any kind of TOS from Blizzard, I believe that Curse found a "loop-hole" in the TOS to allow them to charge.  So, it's legal but that doesn't make it ethical.  I honestly hope that this "Premium" client ends up being Curse's curse and shuts them down.

By the way, I'm a 30 year old video director (with a 160 IQ) for the biggest names in the music industry.  So, please avoid referring to people with complaints as "under 16" or challenging their intelligence because they share a different viewpoint than yourselves.

Bragging about your IQ doesn't make you look like better than those 16 years old folk...

As an author, I distributed my addons on 3 reputables website in the past, and slimmed down to 1 place for convinient purpose.

having 1 place to gather bug and reply to people save us alot of time, and the tool provided by Curseforge and the curse supporter are more than welcome.

Anyway, people who aren't spending hundreds of hours coding addons should not even remotely think about asking an author why he choose a (or a few) website over anothers. 

Really? This is still going on?

"I won't be downloading any addons from Curse."   -Good. You arent using curse, GTFO the forums.

"Question: Is WowMatrix charging people?"   -No, they aren't, but I dont charge gas money to take a trip in the car I just stole either.

"As far as Curse's "Premium" client violating any kind of TOS from Blizzard..."   -You know, you're a video director. Tell me how that qualifies you to interpret law better than Curse's lawyers.

"By the way, I'm a 30 year old video director (with a 160 IQ) for the biggest names in the music industry."   -IF you are all of those things, none of them matter. Go masturbate elsewhere. I'm a 23 year-old waiter (who doesn't care to take an IQ test because he knows he's more intelligent than most) who sees so much self glorification that he can spot it a mile away. GUESS WHAT?!? YOU'RE DOIN' IT PERFECT!

:::EDIT::: An IQ of 160? I doubt it, people with that high of an IQ tend to have a fairly open mind, and tend to be able to percieve the truth in a situation. Not fly off the handle with wild accusations and assumptions.

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Bragging about your IQ doesn't make you look like better than those 16 years old folk...

As an author, I distributed my addons on 3 reputables website in the past, and slimmed down to 1 place for convinient purpose.

having 1 place to gather bug and reply to people save us alot of time, and the tool provided by Curseforge and the curse supporter are more than welcome.

Anyway, people who aren't spending hundreds of hours coding addons should not even remotely think about asking an author why he choose a (or a few) website over anothers. 

Insulting people is not the way to go, especially 16 year olds as I know quite a few that are mature for their age and conduct themselves a lot better than some people on these forums regardless of their ages.  Just because a person's point of view differs does not make them childish in any way.

It would be nice to see mods and authors not getting so heated and keeping a cool head in such situations. :)

personally, i'd rather pay to play WoW than to pay to download the addons.. i like the fact that i can manually search on the curse site & manually download from the site for nothing.. plus, the downloads are pretty quick when doing it manually...

Ive had the premium for about two hours now and it was already worth the $25 imo.

Curse is a stable site that has been around a long time with active developers and admins...  I really dont see it not working out honestly.

With 11+ million wow subscribers even if %1 paid for premium it would make it well worth curses time and effort and im glad to have helped make that possible.

I like it :)