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Re: Premium, it wont last and you know it

myrroddin — Sat, 30 May 2009 20:23:52 GMT

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I see a thread being locked very soon if this type of discussion does not stop from all parties involved.

Locked now, since it the comments have devolved into flaming and insults.

Re: Premium, it wont last and you know it

teek5449 — Sat, 30 May 2009 20:08:07 GMT

I see a thread being locked very soon if this type of discussion does not stop from all parties involved.

Re: Premium, it wont last and you know it

Bledandbeaten — Fri, 29 May 2009 23:39:55 GMT

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But please, I'd prefer to not discuss my IQ as it is not the subject that we should be discussing. It was never meant to be a topic of debate, but, instead, a barrier from insults regarding age and intellect for those that don't agree with Curse's actions. Apparently, you're "damned if you do and damned if you don't".

What? Now you're going to be modest? Oh please, you're so full of it, I can smell you from here, had you not wanted this in the conversation, you shouldn't have brought it up, for someone with a 160 IQ you seem to have a problem with relevent information. Age and intellect are just numbers. Your age, whatever it may be (I've forgotten if you said it or not, and could care less about it) doesn't mean a thing to me, because you talk like a high school senior, and the same with your mensa test. You use "dem dere 10 dollar words" just like I did when I wanted everyone to think I was smart.

Back to the whole money issue you brought up:

A) you arent using the site anymore, so I repeat, GTFO of the forums.

B) You're a big shot Director or producer or whatever, what so you care about 15 bucks a month?

As for me, I'm going to go use my FREE edition curse updater, then play WoW. And not whine aobut it about it. Go whine to Busta, or Good Charlotte or whomever you claim to be producing, I'm sure they sympathise.

Re: Premium, it wont last and you know it

moneydriven — Fri, 29 May 2009 16:04:52 GMT

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:::EDIT::: An IQ of 160? I doubt it, people with that high of an IQ tend to have a fairly open mind, and tend to be able to percieve the truth in a situation. Not fly off the handle with wild accusations and assumptions.

IQ has no relevance to a persons ability to have an open mind. However, I consider myself to be very open minded. I don't believe that I "flew off the handle" about any of this. My opinion was posted in a well thought out manner without the use of foul language and with perfectly legitimate arguments. There wasn't a single "wild accusation" or "assumption". Sorry to burst your drama bubble.

I take my Mensa test in 2 months. I already passed the preliminary exam. But please, I'd prefer to not discuss my IQ as it is not the subject that we should be discussing. It was never meant to be a topic of debate, but, instead, a barrier from insults regarding age and intellect for those that don't agree with Curse's actions. Apparently, you're "damned if you do and damned if you don't".

Re: Premium, it wont last and you know it

moneydriven — Fri, 29 May 2009 15:44:45 GMT

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Bragging about your IQ doesn't make you look like better than those 16 years old folk...

As an author, I distributed my addons on 3 reputables website in the past, and slimmed down to 1 place for convinient purpose.

having 1 place to gather bug and reply to people save us alot of time, and the tool provided by Curseforge and the curse supporter are more than welcome.

Anyway, people who aren't spending hundreds of hours coding addons should not even remotely think about asking an author why he choose a (or a few) website over anothers.

Insulting people is not the way to go, especially 16 year olds as I know quite a few that are mature for their age and conduct themselves a lot better than some people on these forums regardless of their ages. Just because a person's point of view differs does not make them childish in any way.

It would be nice to see mods and authors not getting so heated and keeping a cool head in such situations. :)

Thank you. That was my only point. I wasn't trying to brag, but to eliminate contentious (and typically ignorant) remarks based on the typical insults tossed around. Age, intellect, sexuality, etc.

Flisher, I'm not familiar with what addon you created/modified but I'm sure you put a lot of work into it. I appreciate the efforts of all authors for whatever part they have played in the development of the addons utilized by gamers. However, I'll reiterate what I said in my first post; the resources you used to learn how to code addons or how to do a particular function were more than likely found online and for free. That's not to say that you can't charge for them, but if everyone had that attitude then we'd likely not have as many advancements in web development, gaming development, coding languages, etc. Gratefully, not all developers share your thoughts. Also, I have every right to question why and where you submit your addon. Is it that insulting of a question? More likely is the obvious fact that you are defensive over the subject because you question yourself for your actions.

Bledandbeaten, your post is evidence of the ignorance I spoke of earlier. I defended Curse as not violating any TOS setup by Blizzard so your retort regarding that subject is invalid. WowMatrix is no more "stealing" addons than Curse or WowInterface or anyone else. The addons are made by hard working gamers (typically) who put their time and effort into the addon and have no direct relationship with any of these sites except to submit the addon for hosting. Your other comments regarding "GTFO" and "masturbation" are further proof of your ignorance as you couldn't have an enlightened discussion where your opinion isn't overwhelmingly accepted by everyone without uneducated insults. Based on that, I have no doubt that you truly are a waiter at the age of 23. However, consider your intellect challenged and failed.

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I'm a 23 year-old waiter (who doesn't care to take an IQ test because he knows he's more intelligent than most) who sees so much self glorification that he can spot it a mile away.

Did you feel that saying "who doesn't care to take an IQ test because he knows he's more intelligent than most" WASN'T self glorification? I do appreciate you putting all of that into one sentence for me though. The combination of phrases you used gave me a good laugh as you slapped yourself across the face.

Re: Premium, it wont last and you know it

Soloran — Thu, 28 May 2009 21:13:12 GMT

When I get more money, I might pay for the premium version. For now, I'm using the basic client, which is still a far cry better than the previous method: hunting for each addon individually, trying to remember what all is in my folder come patch day.

As far as the 20% to mod authors goes, that's more than they were getting before the client came out, and I see no reason to complain.

Also, last I checked, we live in a free world, where most people can make up their minds about what they want to do, what they want to pay for, what they want to use. Shouldn't blame curse for coming out with a product that they believe people will pay for. The free version is still free, you're only paying for some extra perks if you choose to do so. And what many of you aren't getting is that I'm sure some of the people over at curse do this as a full time job. Just as you are paid to direct your music videos, these guys are paid to run the site on which you rant.

High Five, Curse. Keep up the good work and looking forward to seeing what's next. I've been a follower of this site since it was released.

Re: Premium, it wont last and you know it

shinynewac — Thu, 28 May 2009 16:46:27 GMT

I like it :)

Re: Premium, it wont last and you know it

Hugsforpeace — Thu, 28 May 2009 12:39:59 GMT

Ive had the premium for about two hours now and it was already worth the $25 imo.

Curse is a stable site that has been around a long time with active developers and admins... I really dont see it not working out honestly.

With 11+ million wow subscribers even if %1 paid for premium it would make it well worth curses time and effort and im glad to have helped make that possible.

Re: Premium, it wont last and you know it

Febster — Wed, 27 May 2009 14:10:49 GMT

personally, i'd rather pay to play WoW than to pay to download the addons.. i like the fact that i can manually search on the curse site & manually download from the site for nothing.. plus, the downloads are pretty quick when doing it manually...

Re: Premium, it wont last and you know it

shazzym — Wed, 27 May 2009 08:04:23 GMT

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Originally Posted by Flisher Flisher" src="/Themes/Common/v6/images/forums/btn-lastpost.gif"/>

Bragging about your IQ doesn't make you look like better than those 16 years old folk...

As an author, I distributed my addons on 3 reputables website in the past, and slimmed down to 1 place for convinient purpose.

having 1 place to gather bug and reply to people save us alot of time, and the tool provided by Curseforge and the curse supporter are more than welcome.

Anyway, people who aren't spending hundreds of hours coding addons should not even remotely think about asking an author why he choose a (or a few) website over anothers.

Insulting people is not the way to go, especially 16 year olds as I know quite a few that are mature for their age and conduct themselves a lot better than some people on these forums regardless of their ages. Just because a person's point of view differs does not make them childish in any way.

It would be nice to see mods and authors not getting so heated and keeping a cool head in such situations. :)

Re: Premium, it wont last and you know it

Bledandbeaten — Tue, 26 May 2009 23:24:11 GMT

Really? This is still going on?

"I won't be downloading any addons from Curse." -Good. You arent using curse, GTFO the forums.

"Question: Is WowMatrix charging people?" -No, they aren't, but I dont charge gas money to take a trip in the car I just stole either.

"As far as Curse's "Premium" client violating any kind of TOS from Blizzard..." -You know, you're a video director. Tell me how that qualifies you to interpret law better than Curse's lawyers.

"By the way, I'm a 30 year old video director (with a 160 IQ) for the biggest names in the music industry." -IF you are all of those things, none of them matter. Go masturbate elsewhere. I'm a 23 year-old waiter (who doesn't care to take an IQ test because he knows he's more intelligent than most) who sees so much self glorification that he can spot it a mile away. GUESS WHAT?!? YOU'RE DOIN' IT PERFECT!

:::EDIT::: An IQ of 160? I doubt it, people with that high of an IQ tend to have a fairly open mind, and tend to be able to percieve the truth in a situation. Not fly off the handle with wild accusations and assumptions.

Re: Premium, it wont last and you know it

Flisher — Tue, 26 May 2009 15:34:20 GMT

Bragging about your IQ doesn't make you look like better than those 16 years old folk...

As an author, I distributed my addons on 3 reputables website in the past, and slimmed down to 1 place for convinient purpose.

having 1 place to gather bug and reply to people save us alot of time, and the tool provided by Curseforge and the curse supporter are more than welcome.

Anyway, people who aren't spending hundreds of hours coding addons should not even remotely think about asking an author why he choose a (or a few) website over anothers.

Re: Premium, it wont last and you know it

moneydriven — Tue, 26 May 2009 14:14:29 GMT

Is curse also sharing advertising money with the addon authors? They wouldn't be getting a dime of advertising money (which is substantially more money than they are getting from premium users) if it weren't for the authors.

My biggest issue with this is that people are getting money hungry about something that started out as a helpful resource to gamers. Now, it's all about the money. That's all anyone is talking about is the money. Question: Is WowMatrix charging people? I believe they are accepting the advertising money as being more than enough for them to continue hosting their addon updater and manage their servers. Why would Curse need to charge for a service that a WowMatrix offers for free? Answer: They don't. Curse is just greedy. I find it amusing that Curse's "Premium" client boasts functions that WowMatrix has always offered for FREE with their client.

I won't be downloading any addons from Curse. If you're an author of an addon that you ONLY allow to be hosted on Curse, then I ask that you consider the reason that you made your addon in the first place. I doubt that you had delusions of making money from it. You probably just realized a need for your own gaming experience and found a way to make it more fulfilling by creating your addon. Now, you allow the idea of money (and be real, you aren't going to see much of the divvied money) to prevent your addon from benefiting anywhere near the amount of people that once enjoyed it. Imagine if the resources you utilized to learn how to code had the same mentality. All those websites that you visited to learn how to do a particular piece that you struggled with could have charged for the information that they store, but they don't because they see it as a helpful resource.

As far as Curse's "Premium" client violating any kind of TOS from Blizzard, I believe that Curse found a "loop-hole" in the TOS to allow them to charge. So, it's legal but that doesn't make it ethical. I honestly hope that this "Premium" client ends up being Curse's curse and shuts them down.

By the way, I'm a 30 year old video director (with a 160 IQ) for the biggest names in the music industry. So, please avoid referring to people with complaints as "under 16" or challenging their intelligence because they share a different viewpoint than yourselves.

Re: Premium, it wont last and you know it

AlterMind — Mon, 25 May 2009 08:53:06 GMT

Personally speaking, I'm quite grateful to Curse for the availability of the 'basic' version and will stick to it. I like the idea of the support to authors and this made me look seriously into the 'Premium' option, but only felt ok with the 'single payment fee' option, not the recurring one.

Something that would probably lead me into the recurring payment model is a (currently) missing feature like the ability to synch the add-on downloads between several computers (I play WoW on 3 computers, but use a common set of add-ons). Is something alike being thought of or develop ?

Thanks !

PS: oh and btw, it's a shame the Premium ad' link forces to launch IE instead of your default browser ! :-(

Re: Premium, it wont last and you know it

Slowky — Mon, 25 May 2009 02:22:05 GMT

I'ma premium member! Thanks for the chance to do it Curse!