Feedback and Enhancements

Re: Why should we pay and Who Will It Benifit?

tat2mikki — Sat, 02 May 2009 16:15:45 GMT

Then perhaps Curse should see about hiring whoever wrote and coded WowMatrix to come work for them. Because the WowMatrix client is by far the superior of the two clients, doing things much more efficiently than Curse Client has ever done.

There was nothing "illegal" in what they were doing, there is and always has been linking downloads from other sites onto another. Prime example being picture links hosted one place yet being hyperlinked into someone elses website. As a former webdeveloper I know how difficult that one was to try to work around, yet it was not "illegal".

CC can't even manage to correctly handle the addons that are hosted on their own site, listing them as "unidentified" yet if I do a google search for them to update manually, what is the first one that pops up? A link to Curse for the addon. Change an addon that REQUIRES you to change it to make it work (Skinner) and Curse no longer recognizes it and refuses to even show you there is an update available for it, even tho it's hosted on their website. So until you work out all the kinks, stop taking away the features you've offered us free forever and instead make a significantly better client (In the same ballpark as WowMatrix) and offer it to your "premium" clients.

Curses client DOES interact with Wow if I'm receiving a popup in game notifying me that there is an update available (which MANY of us received). Yes, we had to physically disable that part of the Curse Client to make it so it would NOT troll our accounts while we were in the game. (CurseProfiler I believe it was).

Re: Why should we pay and Who Will It Benifit?

Wowza1 — Sat, 02 May 2009 14:37:31 GMT

There is no loophole.. Curse's service does not interact with Wow in any shape or form. It is a service that allows you to use their website in an easier manner if you choose to not manually search for addons and click manual update.

Everyone continues to refer to WowMatrix and yet none of those that love that program, seem to understand how it was in a way illegally offering you updates off other websites for you, bypassing everything, trolling all sites, using their bandwidth, etc.. WowMatrix is a form of a web-spider, doing things underhandedly.. Rather than contact websites like Curse or WowInterface, they instead chose to code ways to access their addon database and in a way, fake-host the addons.

Blizzard can change their ToS and EULA as many times as they want.. It will never affect software that is outside of the game that does not interact or modify the game in any way or form. (Read as: Multiboxing software doesn't touch the game and is legal according to Blizzard. Glide touched the game and was destroyed by Blizzard.)

Re: Why should we pay and Who Will It Benifit?

Gabbath — Sat, 02 May 2009 06:14:30 GMT

Hopefully Blizz will change the ELUA and Terms again to take care of this Curse loophole.

I have been a member her for over two years. I don't recall seeing anything indicating that I was getting a free premuim preview. I saw no pop-ups, I didn't get an email or PM here. IF there was a message it was so hidden that I didn't see it.

Finally, as was said before in a thread that was deleted, this is why there are anti-monolopy laws. Curse took over WoWAce updater then in effect shut down WoWMatrix now is charging for a service that was previously free. This stinks to me.

Re: Why should we pay and Who Will It Benifit?

ckpatte — Sat, 02 May 2009 01:40:11 GMT

Just posting to say I will NEVER pay for an addon to a game that I already pay a monthly fee to play. Convenience is nice, but it's not a necessity. There are plenty of other sites out there besides Curse that posts updated versions of the addons I use. I'll admit that the ability of having a one click "update all" button was nice, but it was nowhere near worth $30 of my hard earned money a year.

Re: Why should we pay and Who Will It Benifit?

tat2mikki — Fri, 01 May 2009 23:38:31 GMT

It still comes down to Blizz saying the author could not make money from an addon except by donation buttons on their own websites. So by Curse using the "we're going to pay the authors part of your subscription price" they are enabling the author to receive payment for the downloads, and not by donation only. I'm not against the authors making something for their work, god knows they deserve it. I do have a problem with superior addons like Carbonite having to completely revamp their addon policy for Blizz and most definitely with Curse using this excuse as a way to get us to pad their pocket. Making the whole April Fools joke of an ingame addon store seem more and more likely, now that big players like Curse are getting into the "pay us or else" game, cause you know Blizz is gonna be next, figuring they should profit from each and every addon.

Re: Why should we pay and Who Will It Benifit?

ArkInRev — Fri, 01 May 2009 21:19:55 GMT

Here's the breakdown in the logic that I see:

One click downloads for each addon from the downloader can also be accomplished with the tools included with your browser and OS. Minimal website navigation.

Updating all addons with one click is considered "Premium."

But, with a "Premium" package, you also have an "auto-update all" function. If users of a premium package are able to update their addons automatically, then of what benefit is it to offer a manual alternative as an additional bullet point to a "premium" service? It seems intuitive to include the "update all" as part of the standard package, and offering the automatic toggle as a premium.

But that's not the direction that was chosen.

Instead, users of the free client are being inconvenienced at an irritatingly small level and then have the door slammed in their face when they say that the product now sucks.

There is no amount of "premium" service justification that can possibly make an intentional irritation acceptable.

Offer premium services like beta keys and automatic downloads, but don't insult your community with a bastardized definition of premium. Intentionally inconveniencing users at any level is not a justification for "premium" sales.

Re: Why should we pay and Who Will It Benifit?

Wowza1 — Fri, 01 May 2009 20:53:09 GMT

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Blizzard made it abundantly clear that addon authors could not sell their addons, or offer a "premium" (read: paid) version of their addons, or put a "donate" button or prompt into the game for any such addon. Yet Curse thinks they can charge us to use an authors addon, and then pay the author a piddling 20% of the income for said addon.

Am I the only one who sees this as a blatant attempt at disregard of the new Blizzard policy?

Blizzard's new addon policy is directed at ADDONS. Those that were (a) offerring a better version of their addon to enhance your wow experience (read as: making money from Blizzard's game by making you do more) -- (b) having an in-game donate button or (c) having in-game advertisements.

Curse's Addon updating client does not access Wow, interact with Wow, or anything that is property of Blizzard. It is a tool that they created to make downloading numerous mods easier and faster. They do not force you to use the client. They do not force you to pay to use the client. Those are all choices you make yourself.

As another mentioned, I've been manually updating my addons for years.. The ads on the site don't bother me, not does it bother me that I have to unzip and move files. That's easy as pie. You don't want that so you want something easier, better.. Your option is the client. Oh, you want it ALL done for you with one click? Well, then pay for that service and we'll do it all for you, otherwise, grease up your elbows and do a bit of manual work but we'll still make it easier.

Simple choice.. Go 100% manual (no client) or 50% manual (free-client) or 0% manual (paid-client).. The world is not free, nor are all its rewards..

Re: Why should we pay and Who Will It Benifit?

Morphkool — Fri, 01 May 2009 07:51:19 GMT

Well, I have been downloading curse.com Mods for Wow for sometime now manually and two weeks ago I finally decided to try out the Curse client. Not to my surprise, now you should "upgrade" and enjoy the benefits of premium service. Ahh ya I seen this coming and I am sure one day after curse kills the bandwidth for "non" premium downloaders completely to squeeze more people to pay, that I will have to buy the service. I will admit like most people I like things free, cause I am cheap. It costs money to run this site etc and keep it updated. Its great service they are providing and soon maybe they too could play {insert Game Here} all day and rake in the money from subscriptions. Just a lil off humor for everyone, all in all great service and clearly you don't run a website and put hours into cause "You've got that loving feeling", no you wanna help out people ANd make some money. I am just curious about the 20% of the funds going to authors and what they will say about how much they get etc etc. Time will tell. peace

Re: Why should we pay and Who Will It Benifit?

KD258 — Fri, 01 May 2009 01:21:31 GMT

I have to say, I was irritated about having to pay for this when it popped up. That said, thinking about downloading all my mods seperately, making sure they were up to date, and virus scanning them would make for a huge time sink out of my already busy day.

It would also do some folks good to remember that 'someone' is paying for this bandwidth. Twentyfive bucks a year seems like a resonable fee for the convenience of 'one-clicking' to up date my mods, virus free. Plus the idea of sending some love to the authors of the mods I use it a pretty cool idea too.

To the OP, thanks for asking the question, it definately made up my mind about laying down some cash.

Re: Why should we pay and Who Will It Benifit?

Dawnfire777 — Fri, 01 May 2009 01:06:51 GMT

you all are winers and complainers if u dont like it dont use it dont buy it. my post was responded in a timely manner and everyone has a right to make a buck. why r u doggin them. u guys take the cake man. like one said put up or shut up.

Re: Why should we pay and Who Will It Benifit?

tat2mikki — Fri, 01 May 2009 01:02:17 GMT

Boil down all the arguments, and complaining about Curse's shoddy treatment of their supporters and it comes down to this.....

Blizzard made it abundantly clear that addon authors could not sell their addons, or offer a "premium" (read: paid) version of their addons, or put a "donate" button or prompt into the game for any such addon. Yet Curse thinks they can charge us to use an authors addon, and then pay the author a piddling 20% of the income for said addon.

Am I the only one who sees this as a blatant attempt at disregard of the new Blizzard policy?

I will continue to do what I've done in the past...go to the website of the addon author, give them my donation (of which they'll receive 100% and download the addons direct from them. Not only does this make sure the person who deserves the money actually receives it, but the main addons I use aren't even recognized by Curse Client, some of them they just list as "unidentified" others they offer me some poor excuse of a substitute for.

Re: Why should we pay and Who Will It Benifit?

nyxtyr — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 21:27:17 GMT

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We're trying to reach viability as company. Everyone knows that if you have a pickle jar and take two pickles out and only put one pickle in you eventually run out of pickles.

Great comment

Re: Why should we pay and Who Will It Benifit?

Kaelten — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:57:46 GMT

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http://www.curse.com/forums/t/94594.aspx

Please read my post. It has the same animosity that others appear to have. You know, I understand the want or necessity to charge for a service such as this. You have done, in the past, a great job in my opinion. But do NOT attempt to side-swipe OUR community with unbelievable stupidity and crude monetary logic!

You WILL change your pricing scheme, of that I am certain and will bodly state so.

I've responded to your other post, and thanks again for the feedback.

Re: Why should we pay and Who Will It Benifit?

Kaelten — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:57:46 GMT

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Originally Posted by hypnoticbob hypnoticbob" src="/Themes/Common/v6/images/forums/btn-lastpost.gif"/>

http://www.curse.com/forums/t/94594.aspx

Please read my post. It has the same animosity that others appear to have. You know, I understand the want or necessity to charge for a service such as this. You have done, in the past, a great job in my opinion. But do NOT attempt to side-swipe OUR community with unbelievable stupidity and crude monetary logic!

You WILL change your pricing scheme, of that I am certain and will bodly state so.

I've responded to your other post, and thanks again for the feedback.

Re: Why should we pay and Who Will It Benifit?

hypnoticbob — Thu, 30 Apr 2009 20:39:38 GMT

http://www.curse.com/forums/t/94594.aspx

Please read my post. It has the same animosity that others appear to have. You know, I understand the want or necessity to charge for a service such as this. You have done, in the past, a great job in my opinion. But do NOT attempt to side-swipe OUR community with unbelievable stupidity and crude monetary logic!

You WILL change your pricing scheme, of that I am certain and will bodly state so.